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you're in the paracast the gold standard

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of paranormal radio

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and now

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so in the past month there have been

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i guess the most prominent of that would

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be prince and we'll get into that in a

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we also heard about the death of movie

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director guy hamilton

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and if that name isn't familiar to you

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he directed four of the james bond films

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including gold finger

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diamonds are forever with sean connery

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live and let die

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and the man with the golden gun with

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roger moore

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those were his claims to fame

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guy hamilton he died in his nineties

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sounds like all those titles should be

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applied to prince

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so the question i have about prince is i

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did a little research once i heard about

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it and i have to tell you that i

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was no big prince fan

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i remember a couple of his songs i

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one song of his they used in the 1989

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by directed by tim burton where jack

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nicholson is the joker

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carries in this boombox playing a prince

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song

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so i know very little about him but did

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he ever write any songs about ufos

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paranormal or something like that

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well i'd have to kind of go back to his

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catalog i don't think anything overt he

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did kind of hint around

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at things he was a jehovah's witness so

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which most people probably aren't aware

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of well that was michael jackson prince

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you know he really did have this kind of

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bent to him that was very very subtle it

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didn't come out in his work

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i was first exposed to him maybe i

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should use a

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better uh term i first heard about him

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from a friend back in

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i think it was 78.

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he said this guy is incredible

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i think the the quote was he's like a

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q-tip dipped in pubic hair or something

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very sexual

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some sort of like music industry

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small theater kind of club uh

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performance after his uh album dirty

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mind had come out i i think that's the

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name of it

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and this young guy came out and just he

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just rocked the house i mean i i was i

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was a an instant fan and

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i don't know i just was

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i wasn't surprised when purple rain

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became such a breakout hit and he won an

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academy award and all that um

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but what most people

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forget is that the guy not only wrote

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the songs and sang all the parts he

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played all the instruments and produced

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the darn thing and then he had his

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musicians come in and duplicate his

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parts when he went when he took it out

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live and well that's almost like john

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where he would do all the

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instrumentation as a demo for his band

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well prince did it for the album

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you know it's his buddy andre i think

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did play bass

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on a couple of tracks and there were

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think wendy melbourne

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may have played some of her parts but

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but for the most part the guy you know

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he could do it all um he could sing he

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could dance

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guitarist keyboardist uh

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helped invent the whole 80s drum sound

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the guy was you know in a class all by

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himself and within the music industry he

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was kind of he was a man apart you know

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anybody that i knew in new york in the

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80s when when he would say prince they

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just their eyes would kind of wax over

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and they'd go my god i wish i was that

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talented he really was a major talent

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and the fact that he's gone at such an

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early age is is a little bit uh

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disturbing you know he he really was

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some what i think some people would call

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researcher into chemtrails uh

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modification that sort of thing

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the ruling cabals that kind of dictate

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uh you know big business he had his own

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problems with his major label for a

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number of years and refused to release

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any albums and then finally came up with

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the idea of renaming himself as an

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unpronounceable symbol so that he could

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with new new material and without a

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record company and and with all the

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legal hassles he was going through you

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know it made it a problem so

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instead of releasing them as prince he

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what he once called the artist formerly

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major artists have problems with the

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record labels you think or maybe the one

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the artist who gets

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a year or two of success but we're

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talking about people like a prince where

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you figure the record companies would be

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on their knees begging him to release

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product

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well if they're not you know

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tightening the brother up

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you know the brother had the clout to uh

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to say no and say you know i'm sorry i

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mean the guy even you know

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he directed his second film i mean the

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everything but uh his next film went

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under a cherry moon or something or

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something like that he actually directed

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it even though it was a flop

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but one thing you got to say about

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prince you never heard any scandals

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about him

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journalistic

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sensationalism surrounding the man in

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his career and he kept a very low

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profile and he kept you know he kept his

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uh private life private and

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you know he seemed to be a real straight

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shooter he didn't he didn't have a lot

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of issues outside of a few kind of

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notorious relationships that he had

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clean madonna i think he even dated for

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a while but you know the guy was really

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he was the wonder kid you know

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he could do no wrong

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not they all acknowledged his incredible

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another one very very talented but

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prince took it that one step further he

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could play all the instruments he could

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arrange all the parts

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dance up a storm and and give you know

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far bigger bigger than life bless his

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certainly hope that wherever he is

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that he's teaching them a few things

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about music well somebody uh said online

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that he died of prince but he's a king

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in heaven so i guess there's a hell of a

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band they're rehearsing right now up

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there if you believe in that sort of

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thing it sounds like a song that was out

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all right let's move on that was that by

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the righteous brothers i think did that

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don't know one other death occurred

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that was albert k bender

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to have bender discuss a new book called

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the general impression of the three men

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in black uh was that these are

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government agents and certainly that's

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what transferred itself

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black were government agents

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aliens on earth but also dealing with

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the creatures that albert bender

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cellular connections you never know

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so we have two guests for the price of

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one we've got nick redfern we've got

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greg bishop and chris was telling me

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before he reminded me the last times

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that both nick and greg

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were on

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for various reasons not going to get

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into right now

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chris o'brien was not here but i made

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my two favorite guests and i god i

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screwed up hey it's on me but we'll make

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up for last time right i'll have chris

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ask all the questions and i'll sit back

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i think chris was probably uh

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talking to his handler about you know

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what was going down on the show i

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wouldn't surprise yeah he was reporting

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back i mean i think i think it's a bonus

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when he reports on dick

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wait a minute what handler i can't even

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handle myself let alone do you think

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i know people have tried to handle me

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unless it feels good i don't want to

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know about it but let me get on with

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this so i asked you briefly before we

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started nick is there any paranormal

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psychic ufo connection that one can

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apply

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to prince or was he

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not related to any of that stuff well i

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mean i don't know if he was interested

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in paranormal and ufo stuff but i mean i

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mean i'm sure there are people are gonna

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you know there can be blog posts where

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people are saying that there's some sort

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of

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significance about his death or whatever

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and they'll point to sort of they'll

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come up with some synchronistic issues

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with dates and stuff but i mean i think

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what often happens is that when we're

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dealing with famous people there's often

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this

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tendency whether consciously or

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subconsciously to try and make a meaning

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behind the death beyond just the fact

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that well they died you know but at the

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end of the day

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we're all human we know different just

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because somebody's on stage or

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somebody's on in the movies you know i'm

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sure it'll turn out whatever he died

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from you know there's no reason because

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i see him to bring the paranormal into

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it he was just a man in his late 50s who

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died you know

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every day

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i did actually read one thing already

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about prince apparently talking about

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something paranormal related and that's

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why they he got off in the last couple

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of weeks because he mentioned something

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i guess but yeah i've already seen one

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of them already online

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yeah dying in your own elevator in your

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own house that that that must be an

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awful way to go well some people that

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will say look the guy had an elevator he

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didn't do pretty bad after all did

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pretty good the guys got an elevator he

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and mitt romney let's

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move past prince unless we hear a great

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conspiracy theory because obviously rich

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people famous people can't just die as

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nick says let's talk about somebody who

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died

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in march and that was albert k bender

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now i mentioned in the previous segment

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of the show nick that i met bender

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exactly one time in the early mid 60s

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when he was lecturing

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very briefly

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on that book flying saucers and the

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three men

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what can you tell us about albert bender

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particularly for listeners who may have

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heard of him by name only and certainly

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have heard the three men in black but

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don't understand the full connection

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nick well basically albert bender wasn't

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the first person to report kind of

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seeing a man in black he was really the

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guy who was responsible for kick start

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in the men in black mystery in the early

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50s and how it all happened was that

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bender lived in the town of bridgeport

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connecticut he had a fascination with

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everything to do with the paranormal you

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know when the ufo subject kicked off in

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47 he got involved in that but as a kid

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he was heavily into

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ghost stories he was a big fan of hp

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lovecraft and edgar allan poe

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and he was also someone who as i said

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gravitated to the ufo subject and very

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quickly

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what he did was to establish a group

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called the international flying saucer

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bureau and set up this organization

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excuse me a magazine

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one of the things that bender did was to

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establish

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an organization the international flying

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saucer bureau and also his very own

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journal called space review

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and both attracted a lot of attention

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and certainly space review was sold

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across australia or at least people who

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have subscribed to it europe the united

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states and elsewhere

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bender was an unusual guy though because

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he lived in the attic of this old house

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and he converted it into what he called

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his chamber of horrors

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and um basically it was sort of filled

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with ghoulish images like demons and

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ghosts and

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devils and skeletons and things like

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that and also about 10

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large eerie staring paintings of large

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black cats they were all around the room

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and he had an obsession with clocks

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there were clocks all around the room as

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well like 15 of them or something like

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that so he's an unusual guy and he also

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had obsessive compulsive disorder

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on top of that

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bender

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when he set up the ifsb

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uh and was sort of really sort of

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rolling along you know quickly and

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getting all sorts of people subscribing

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and you know became sort of a little

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force almost you know within ufology he

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started to have these run-ins with the

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men in black and he began in sort of a

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strange fashion where he would go to the

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local cinema on a saturday night

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he didn't have many friends he didn't

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have girlfriends so saturday night for

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bender unfortunately was sort of spent

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alone watching horror movies down the

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local cinema which is probably not the

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healthiest way to spend

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saturday nights all alone but anyway he

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would talk about seeing these shadowy

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figures in the cinema he would walk home

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and then he would see them again he

530
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didn't think too much other than the

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fact that he'd unsettled him a bit but

532
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then on one occasion he started to feel

533
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ill in his chamber of horrors and he had

534
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to quickly lay down on the bed he felt

535
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sort of let vertigo and lightheaded he

536
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thought he was going to pass out

537
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and the room was suddenly filled with

538
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this older of like brimstone you know

539
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which is classically attached to

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paranormal activity and these three sort

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of fiery-eyed

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figures

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almost like a semi-substantial

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semi-shadow like uh semi-physical in

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black suits and fedoras warned him off

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the ufo subject

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and bender was so terrified that he did

548
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quit the ufo subject now what he did he

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sort of gave some of the details but not

550
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all of them to grey barker who was

551
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probably sort of the one of the early

552
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gonzo style

553
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writers of ufo

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uh stories um

555
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to the point where you know for barker

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he would change a happy sunny day into a

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dark and stormy night you know just for

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effect in the story

559
00:21:14,549 --> 00:21:11,520
and barca wrote a book in 56 much of

560
00:21:16,789 --> 00:21:14,559
which was devoted to bend a story called

561
00:21:18,390 --> 00:21:16,799
they knew too much about flying sources

562
00:21:21,430 --> 00:21:18,400
and because bender hadn't sort of

563
00:21:23,190 --> 00:21:21,440
confided all the details barker assumed

564
00:21:24,950 --> 00:21:23,200
quite wrongly that the men in black

565
00:21:27,510 --> 00:21:24,960
who'd come to visit

566
00:21:29,909 --> 00:21:27,520
bender were from the fbi the cia in the

567
00:21:31,830 --> 00:21:29,919
air force one representative from each

568
00:21:33,990 --> 00:21:31,840
and bender didn't want to talk it to

569
00:21:35,830 --> 00:21:34,000
about it too much so he didn't you know

570
00:21:38,310 --> 00:21:35,840
say how you got it wrong now what

571
00:21:40,390 --> 00:21:38,320
happened was that in 1962

572
00:21:42,310 --> 00:21:40,400
when bender had actually told by now

573
00:21:44,230 --> 00:21:42,320
barker some more the details and barca

574
00:21:46,549 --> 00:21:44,240
realized that the truth or the real

575
00:21:48,870 --> 00:21:46,559
story or the second story was actually

576
00:21:50,630 --> 00:21:48,880
very different to the story he told in

577
00:21:53,270 --> 00:21:50,640
that they knew too much about flying

578
00:21:54,870 --> 00:21:53,280
sources bender was persuaded to write

579
00:21:57,270 --> 00:21:54,880
his own book flying sources and the

580
00:21:59,590 --> 00:21:57,280
three men which portrayed the men in

581
00:22:01,909 --> 00:21:59,600
black are sort of definitively

582
00:22:05,350 --> 00:22:01,919
paranormal and that book flying sources

583
00:22:07,510 --> 00:22:05,360
and the three men is sort of littered

584
00:22:09,909 --> 00:22:07,520
with paranormal stuff it's sort of a

585
00:22:12,470 --> 00:22:09,919
classic study if you like in the occult

586
00:22:15,110 --> 00:22:12,480
even though it's sort of ufo themed and

587
00:22:16,390 --> 00:22:15,120
so and then bender left the subject

588
00:22:18,630 --> 00:22:16,400
pretty much

589
00:22:21,110 --> 00:22:18,640
after that he did a few tours and

590
00:22:23,430 --> 00:22:21,120
occasional lectures but by the mid 60s

591
00:22:25,669 --> 00:22:23,440
he was done with it and just focused on

592
00:22:27,990 --> 00:22:25,679
by then he was married and he was

593
00:22:29,590 --> 00:22:28,000
heavily into the music of max steiner

594
00:22:31,830 --> 00:22:29,600
the composer and

595
00:22:34,470 --> 00:22:31,840
ran his appreciation society and

596
00:22:36,070 --> 00:22:34,480
essentially left ufology behind him

597
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hey this is marie d jones the author of

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this book is from the future

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and you are listening to the paracast

704
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nick redfern greg bishop the story about

705
00:27:31,029 --> 00:27:29,120
the late albert k bender i mentioned

706
00:27:32,549 --> 00:27:31,039
this briefly in our previous segment and

707
00:27:34,870 --> 00:27:32,559
some long time listeners of the power

708
00:27:37,430 --> 00:27:34,880
cast know this i met albert bender

709
00:27:39,830 --> 00:27:37,440
exactly one time

710
00:27:42,070 --> 00:27:39,840
he gave a lecture before jim mosley's

711
00:27:44,149 --> 00:27:42,080
little group in new york city about

712
00:27:47,029 --> 00:27:44,159
flying saucers and the three men and he

713
00:27:51,590 --> 00:27:47,039
gave the story and then we had dinner

714
00:27:53,830 --> 00:27:51,600
now this was probably 1963 or 1964

715
00:27:56,950 --> 00:27:53,840
and jim mosley was married briefly to a

716
00:27:59,269 --> 00:27:56,960
woman named sandra who prided herself as

717
00:28:02,149 --> 00:27:59,279
being an amateur psychologist

718
00:28:05,350 --> 00:28:02,159
her claim to fame whatever it was was to

719
00:28:07,669 --> 00:28:05,360
be a handwriting analyst in any case

720
00:28:09,350 --> 00:28:07,679
we have dinner with bender bender

721
00:28:11,029 --> 00:28:09,360
is there with his wife

722
00:28:13,909 --> 00:28:11,039
and he goes off

723
00:28:16,310 --> 00:28:13,919
for a quick visit to the boys room

724
00:28:17,510 --> 00:28:16,320
and sandra says to jim you know he's got

725
00:28:19,430 --> 00:28:17,520
problems

726
00:28:21,830 --> 00:28:19,440
she had the impression i don't know

727
00:28:23,909 --> 00:28:21,840
whether there's any basis for it or not

728
00:28:26,630 --> 00:28:23,919
that this guy was a deeply troubled

729
00:28:28,149 --> 00:28:26,640
person now anyone

730
00:28:30,310 --> 00:28:28,159
in the field

731
00:28:31,909 --> 00:28:30,320
made that kind of conclusion because of

732
00:28:33,750 --> 00:28:31,919
the nature of the claim

733
00:28:36,230 --> 00:28:33,760
well i think bender made that claim

734
00:28:38,710 --> 00:28:36,240
himself or you know admitted it i mean

735
00:28:42,549 --> 00:28:38,720
for example by his own admission

736
00:28:43,990 --> 00:28:42,559
throughout the early 50s he had a total

737
00:28:45,750 --> 00:28:44,000
phobia that he was going to develop

738
00:28:48,470 --> 00:28:45,760
cancer you know ironically he lived to

739
00:28:50,389 --> 00:28:48,480
94. i mean he admits that in his book he

740
00:28:52,549 --> 00:28:50,399
said he didn't know how it came about he

741
00:28:54,630 --> 00:28:52,559
just had this irrational fear that he

742
00:28:56,389 --> 00:28:54,640
was going to develop cancer and on top

743
00:28:58,870 --> 00:28:56,399
of that he also admitted and this is

744
00:29:01,669 --> 00:28:58,880
where i mentioned like you had ocd he

745
00:29:03,269 --> 00:29:01,679
said that whenever friends came over if

746
00:29:05,909 --> 00:29:03,279
they picked anything upside off one of

747
00:29:08,310 --> 00:29:05,919
the tables and they put it back down you

748
00:29:09,990 --> 00:29:08,320
know just slightly to the left he would

749
00:29:11,830 --> 00:29:10,000
have to put he'd have to replace it to

750
00:29:13,990 --> 00:29:11,840
where it originally was you know if

751
00:29:16,230 --> 00:29:14,000
anything was slightly moved like a you

752
00:29:18,630 --> 00:29:16,240
know i don't know for real for an old

753
00:29:20,310 --> 00:29:18,640
typewriter anything he couldn't stand it

754
00:29:21,750 --> 00:29:20,320
he would just sit looking at it until he

755
00:29:23,750 --> 00:29:21,760
had to get up and put it back where it

756
00:29:26,549 --> 00:29:23,760
was you know this isn't other people

757
00:29:28,789 --> 00:29:26,559
making claims bender to his credit or

758
00:29:31,350 --> 00:29:28,799
have you look at it was actually quite

759
00:29:32,630 --> 00:29:31,360
open on the fact that these issues ran

760
00:29:35,909 --> 00:29:32,640
through his mind

761
00:29:37,269 --> 00:29:35,919
now i've known people who have ocd and

762
00:29:39,590 --> 00:29:37,279
for those who want to see a really

763
00:29:41,029 --> 00:29:39,600
graphic presentation there's a tv show

764
00:29:43,430 --> 00:29:41,039
called monk

765
00:29:45,669 --> 00:29:43,440
about an obsessive compulsive detective

766
00:29:48,310 --> 00:29:45,679
that's exaggerated from how the

767
00:29:50,470 --> 00:29:48,320
condition normally displays itself

768
00:29:52,470 --> 00:29:50,480
but if you want to see it with tony

769
00:29:54,230 --> 00:29:52,480
shalaby's monk it must be terrible for

770
00:29:56,710 --> 00:29:54,240
people you know where you're driven to

771
00:29:58,230 --> 00:29:56,720
sort of repeat things like 15 times over

772
00:30:01,990 --> 00:29:58,240
or whatever

773
00:30:04,310 --> 00:30:02,000
oh it must be okay so we get to bender

774
00:30:06,950 --> 00:30:04,320
and he basically goes

775
00:30:09,029 --> 00:30:06,960
into normal civilian life after he

776
00:30:10,070 --> 00:30:09,039
leaves the ufo field

777
00:30:12,710 --> 00:30:10,080
now

778
00:30:14,149 --> 00:30:12,720
the characters the three men in black

779
00:30:16,549 --> 00:30:14,159
became part

780
00:30:18,630 --> 00:30:16,559
of a graphic comic book

781
00:30:20,070 --> 00:30:18,640
but it didn't have the mystic psychic

782
00:30:22,950 --> 00:30:20,080
aspects of it

783
00:30:24,870 --> 00:30:22,960
you know these were physical people who

784
00:30:27,590 --> 00:30:24,880
were part of a government

785
00:30:30,070 --> 00:30:27,600
agency that dealt with space people

786
00:30:31,110 --> 00:30:30,080
so was there a specific reason why none

787
00:30:33,350 --> 00:30:31,120
of that

788
00:30:34,950 --> 00:30:33,360
transferred to the graphic comic book

789
00:30:36,950 --> 00:30:34,960
well i mean the comic books didn't come

790
00:30:39,029 --> 00:30:36,960
out until sort of the 90s it only lasted

791
00:30:41,590 --> 00:30:39,039
for for four issues you know it wasn't

792
00:30:43,830 --> 00:30:41,600
like a long-running thing but i mean

793
00:30:45,590 --> 00:30:43,840
certainly today i mean you know if you

794
00:30:47,350 --> 00:30:45,600
think that's most people the general

795
00:30:49,269 --> 00:30:47,360
public their perceptions of men in black

796
00:30:50,549 --> 00:30:49,279
they know from the movies you know and

797
00:30:53,590 --> 00:30:50,559
they know that they're sort of secret

798
00:30:56,549 --> 00:30:53,600
agents but i mean you go back to the

799
00:30:58,870 --> 00:30:56,559
50s and when you have benders men in

800
00:31:01,029 --> 00:30:58,880
black they look weird and then when you

801
00:31:03,269 --> 00:31:01,039
go into the 60s we like all the stuff in

802
00:31:05,110 --> 00:31:03,279
point pleasant that grey barker again

803
00:31:08,149 --> 00:31:05,120
and also keel obviously the muffin

804
00:31:09,830 --> 00:31:08,159
prophecies they chronicled as well and

805
00:31:11,990 --> 00:31:09,840
those men in black were strange and

806
00:31:13,029 --> 00:31:12,000
weird and nearly all the reports that i

807
00:31:14,549 --> 00:31:13,039
get you know because i've written

808
00:31:17,110 --> 00:31:14,559
several books on the subject i get

809
00:31:18,389 --> 00:31:17,120
dozens and dozens of stories

810
00:31:20,630 --> 00:31:18,399
very rarely

811
00:31:22,389 --> 00:31:20,640
do they come across like so-called

812
00:31:23,350 --> 00:31:22,399
government agents but what i think

813
00:31:25,990 --> 00:31:23,360
happened

814
00:31:28,870 --> 00:31:26,000
is that certainly grey barker's book

815
00:31:30,549 --> 00:31:28,880
was full on for the secret agent angle

816
00:31:33,110 --> 00:31:30,559
they knew too much flight about flying

817
00:31:35,029 --> 00:31:33,120
sources that came out in 56

818
00:31:37,830 --> 00:31:35,039
that book solely presents the men in

819
00:31:39,990 --> 00:31:37,840
black as government people and so i

820
00:31:42,950 --> 00:31:40,000
think what happened there was this

821
00:31:45,269 --> 00:31:42,960
divergence from bender's original

822
00:31:47,509 --> 00:31:45,279
experiences to where people picked up on

823
00:31:48,630 --> 00:31:47,519
oh they work for the government and

824
00:31:51,190 --> 00:31:48,640
bender

825
00:31:53,029 --> 00:31:51,200
was sort of leaving the subject or left

826
00:31:54,789 --> 00:31:53,039
it and didn't want to get dragged into

827
00:31:56,470 --> 00:31:54,799
it and felt that if he talked about what

828
00:31:59,029 --> 00:31:56,480
really happened he would get dragged

829
00:32:01,590 --> 00:31:59,039
back in so he wasn't willing to sort of

830
00:32:03,269 --> 00:32:01,600
say hey barker's got it wrong so i think

831
00:32:05,509 --> 00:32:03,279
that it was largely barker's book i

832
00:32:07,029 --> 00:32:05,519
think that kicked off the idea that you

833
00:32:08,549 --> 00:32:07,039
know they're from the pentagon or the

834
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cia or whatever

835
00:32:13,029 --> 00:32:10,559
right but as you say

836
00:32:15,269 --> 00:32:13,039
albert bender's encounter wasn't the

837
00:32:17,430 --> 00:32:15,279
first time we had three men in black or

838
00:32:19,590 --> 00:32:17,440
anything similar what about earlier

839
00:32:22,230 --> 00:32:19,600
cases well yeah i mean certainly the

840
00:32:25,269 --> 00:32:22,240
most visible one would be the the

841
00:32:28,389 --> 00:32:25,279
equally controversial maury island case

842
00:32:30,789 --> 00:32:28,399
of june 47 when allegedly

843
00:32:33,509 --> 00:32:30,799
a ufo exploded over

844
00:32:35,350 --> 00:32:33,519
maury island in the harbour there and

845
00:32:38,630 --> 00:32:35,360
showered down all this wreckage into the

846
00:32:41,190 --> 00:32:38,640
into the water and according to the

847
00:32:43,750 --> 00:32:41,200
story one of the key players harold dahl

848
00:32:45,669 --> 00:32:43,760
who was responsible for collecting some

849
00:32:47,590 --> 00:32:45,679
of this wreckage claimed that he'd been

850
00:32:48,950 --> 00:32:47,600
visited by a man in a black car in a

851
00:32:50,789 --> 00:32:48,960
black suit

852
00:32:53,430 --> 00:32:50,799
who knew everything about what he'd been

853
00:32:54,470 --> 00:32:53,440
up to who could almost report repeat

854
00:32:57,190 --> 00:32:54,480
sort of

855
00:32:59,269 --> 00:32:57,200
in literal fashion certain conversations

856
00:33:01,269 --> 00:32:59,279
that dahl had had and who went on to

857
00:33:03,909 --> 00:33:01,279
threaten him and his family if he didn't

858
00:33:06,230 --> 00:33:03,919
shut up about the maury island case

859
00:33:07,909 --> 00:33:06,240
so you know that now we don't know if

860
00:33:10,630 --> 00:33:07,919
this was sort of at some intelligence

861
00:33:12,549 --> 00:33:10,640
agents or if it was

862
00:33:14,710 --> 00:33:12,559
sort of one of the weirder men in black

863
00:33:16,789 --> 00:33:14,720
all we know is that somebody in sort of

864
00:33:19,029 --> 00:33:16,799
black fedora and suit turned up and

865
00:33:21,669 --> 00:33:19,039
threatened him but you know that's how

866
00:33:23,430 --> 00:33:21,679
the guys all dressed back then so

867
00:33:25,509 --> 00:33:23,440
you know without the without any

868
00:33:28,149 --> 00:33:25,519
information which unfortunately suggests

869
00:33:30,710 --> 00:33:28,159
or doesn't suggest that you know the

870
00:33:32,870 --> 00:33:30,720
harold doll's mib was sort of pale faced

871
00:33:34,549 --> 00:33:32,880
and weird looking you know we'll still

872
00:33:37,430 --> 00:33:34,559
really never know

873
00:33:39,750 --> 00:33:37,440
which sort of angle he was coming from

874
00:33:41,350 --> 00:33:39,760
now those of us who've listened have

875
00:33:43,269 --> 00:33:41,360
been with the power cast for so many

876
00:33:45,830 --> 00:33:43,279
years remember

877
00:33:48,070 --> 00:33:45,840
when jim mosley and tim beckley

878
00:33:49,430 --> 00:33:48,080
talked about somebody

879
00:33:52,710 --> 00:33:49,440
who was seen

880
00:33:55,590 --> 00:33:52,720
watching the apartment

881
00:33:57,350 --> 00:33:55,600
in which john jay robinson lived

882
00:33:59,430 --> 00:33:57,360
and there was a photograph of somebody

883
00:34:00,389 --> 00:33:59,440
who looked to me like he was someone out

884
00:34:03,430 --> 00:34:00,399
of a

885
00:34:04,830 --> 00:34:03,440
godfather movie not a man in black but

886
00:34:08,069 --> 00:34:04,840
just like jack

887
00:34:09,990 --> 00:34:08,079
ruby kinda sorta

888
00:34:11,909 --> 00:34:10,000
maybe maybe greg wants to talk about

889
00:34:13,510 --> 00:34:11,919
that perhaps

890
00:34:15,750 --> 00:34:13,520
the only thing i remember about that is

891
00:34:17,510 --> 00:34:15,760
i believe beckley

892
00:34:19,030 --> 00:34:17,520
and or mosley both told me they were

893
00:34:22,550 --> 00:34:19,040
trying to mess with robinson and

894
00:34:25,750 --> 00:34:22,560
actually that mosley ran out there

895
00:34:26,790 --> 00:34:25,760
very quickly i guess he took a ferry or

896
00:34:31,190 --> 00:34:26,800
he took

897
00:34:33,430 --> 00:34:31,200
out to robinson's house appeared at his

898
00:34:36,869 --> 00:34:33,440
door in his neighborhood

899
00:34:38,389 --> 00:34:36,879
and then like took off very quickly

900
00:34:39,829 --> 00:34:38,399
and went back to where he was you know

901
00:34:41,750 --> 00:34:39,839
back to his apartment in new york city

902
00:34:44,149 --> 00:34:41,760
and then called him in less time than

903
00:34:45,510 --> 00:34:44,159
robinson thought that he could um just

904
00:34:48,470 --> 00:34:45,520
to hope some of the thinking that he had

905
00:34:50,230 --> 00:34:48,480
a men in black siding and um as i

906
00:34:52,230 --> 00:34:50,240
remember it uh beckley told me that

907
00:34:53,270 --> 00:34:52,240
picture was of somebody completely

908
00:34:54,629 --> 00:34:53,280
different

909
00:34:56,230 --> 00:34:54,639
had nothing to do with robinson

910
00:34:58,230 --> 00:34:56,240
whatsoever although

911
00:35:00,150 --> 00:34:58,240
later i think robinson saw the picture

912
00:35:03,109 --> 00:35:00,160
and and kind of freaked out anyway but

913
00:35:04,870 --> 00:35:03,119
the whole thing was basically uh mosley

914
00:35:07,030 --> 00:35:04,880
and i think beckley to some extent but

915
00:35:08,790 --> 00:35:07,040
mostly mosley of course

916
00:35:10,950 --> 00:35:08,800
as you get playing a joke on a

917
00:35:13,829 --> 00:35:10,960
researcher

918
00:35:16,790 --> 00:35:13,839
and of course jack was involved

919
00:35:18,630 --> 00:35:16,800
in mysticism quite a bit

920
00:35:21,430 --> 00:35:18,640
i knew jack all of these a lot of the

921
00:35:23,670 --> 00:35:21,440
people involved in the ufo subjects

922
00:35:26,150 --> 00:35:23,680
who've had many black encounters

923
00:35:28,790 --> 00:35:26,160
have been involved in sort of the

924
00:35:31,190 --> 00:35:28,800
paranormal of the occult um yeah

925
00:35:33,270 --> 00:35:31,200
defender was and bender was up to his

926
00:35:35,829 --> 00:35:33,280
neck in him

927
00:35:39,030 --> 00:35:35,839
yeah when i hear about this about bender

928
00:35:41,510 --> 00:35:39,040
but you know the first thing i think was

929
00:35:43,349 --> 00:35:41,520
when somebody does some sort of ritual

930
00:35:44,630 --> 00:35:43,359
and they call something up inadvertently

931
00:35:45,430 --> 00:35:44,640
or whatever and then they can't get rid

932
00:35:47,030 --> 00:35:45,440
of it

933
00:35:49,190 --> 00:35:47,040
um that's one theory i have of what

934
00:35:51,750 --> 00:35:49,200
happened to bender and that you know he

935
00:35:53,270 --> 00:35:51,760
called up a who knows what a tulpa or

936
00:35:55,270 --> 00:35:53,280
some kind of spirit or something that

937
00:35:56,550 --> 00:35:55,280
even just messed with his own mind

938
00:35:59,190 --> 00:35:56,560
internally

939
00:36:00,710 --> 00:35:59,200
and um freaked him out i mean if you get

940
00:36:03,190 --> 00:36:00,720
a paranoid state

941
00:36:04,870 --> 00:36:03,200
you notice or maybe make up and then

942
00:36:06,550 --> 00:36:04,880
notice a lot of things that you wouldn't

943
00:36:09,349 --> 00:36:06,560
in when you're not in that paranoid

944
00:36:12,069 --> 00:36:09,359
state i know from firsthand experience

945
00:36:14,150 --> 00:36:12,079
well this is something here we see in

946
00:36:17,670 --> 00:36:14,160
pop culture quite often

947
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where someone as a lark or something

948
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even if it's just with the ouija board

949
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summons up something this happens for

950
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example there's a tv show on sci-fi

951
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called the magicians based on a series

952
00:36:30,069 --> 00:36:27,280
of novels and it happens there where

953
00:36:32,230 --> 00:36:30,079
they call up somebody with a spell

954
00:36:34,390 --> 00:36:32,240
and suddenly they're not equipped to

955
00:36:36,390 --> 00:36:34,400
handle the consequences we are because

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we have nick redfearn we have greg

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bishop we have gene and chris you're in

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the power cast

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with gene and chris in the power cast we

1068
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have nick redfearn a special guest

1069
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appearance by greg bishop focusing on

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albert k bender but also

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the three men in black or whatever

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with greg we were talking here about the

1106
00:42:37,510 --> 00:42:35,839
consequences

1107
00:42:39,670 --> 00:42:37,520
that may happen

1108
00:42:42,230 --> 00:42:39,680
if you're unprepared when you try to

1109
00:42:44,069 --> 00:42:42,240
call up something

1110
00:42:45,750 --> 00:42:44,079
well it's important to remember a lot of

1111
00:42:47,270 --> 00:42:45,760
people don't know this but bender

1112
00:42:49,750 --> 00:42:47,280
actually had what he called like a

1113
00:42:51,910 --> 00:42:49,760
supernatural altar that he built in his

1114
00:42:54,470 --> 00:42:51,920
attic i mean it was it was like an altar

1115
00:42:56,550 --> 00:42:54,480
with with skeletons on and you know

1116
00:42:58,150 --> 00:42:56,560
where you could kneel in front of it you

1117
00:43:00,150 --> 00:42:58,160
know when you're sort of so tied into

1118
00:43:01,109 --> 00:43:00,160
the occult and and things like this as

1119
00:43:02,950 --> 00:43:01,119
he was

1120
00:43:04,150 --> 00:43:02,960
you know i actually do believe there are

1121
00:43:06,309 --> 00:43:04,160
sort of

1122
00:43:07,589 --> 00:43:06,319
supernatural realms i really do believe

1123
00:43:08,870 --> 00:43:07,599
that and i think

1124
00:43:11,349 --> 00:43:08,880
you know you

1125
00:43:13,670 --> 00:43:11,359
you sort of put the thought out there

1126
00:43:15,829 --> 00:43:13,680
and you know you perform certain rituals

1127
00:43:17,589 --> 00:43:15,839
and rights that it can open a door to

1128
00:43:19,270 --> 00:43:17,599
something i think that's what happened

1129
00:43:20,710 --> 00:43:19,280
with people like jack parsons and

1130
00:43:23,589 --> 00:43:20,720
alistair crowley

1131
00:43:25,670 --> 00:43:23,599
and i think bender's problem was that

1132
00:43:27,270 --> 00:43:25,680
although he was sort of actually well

1133
00:43:29,829 --> 00:43:27,280
versed in the occult he wasn't like a

1134
00:43:32,390 --> 00:43:29,839
dabbler i just i don't think he was

1135
00:43:33,990 --> 00:43:32,400
ready for what happened and what i think

1136
00:43:35,270 --> 00:43:34,000
possibly could have happened is that he

1137
00:43:37,990 --> 00:43:35,280
called something through whether

1138
00:43:40,870 --> 00:43:38,000
inadvertently or deliberately and

1139
00:43:42,950 --> 00:43:40,880
because of all his ufo stuff and he's

1140
00:43:45,589 --> 00:43:42,960
maybe even maybe he'd even got visited

1141
00:43:47,589 --> 00:43:45,599
by the fbi who knows but if he had

1142
00:43:49,109 --> 00:43:47,599
perhaps all the fear and the imagery of

1143
00:43:51,510 --> 00:43:49,119
you know the visit by the men in black

1144
00:43:54,069 --> 00:43:51,520
conjured up in his mind

1145
00:43:55,910 --> 00:43:54,079
something that was you know paranormal

1146
00:43:58,470 --> 00:43:55,920
or it brought something through which

1147
00:44:00,790 --> 00:43:58,480
sort of manifested in

1148
00:44:02,630 --> 00:44:00,800
the exact sort of imagery of the thing

1149
00:44:04,150 --> 00:44:02,640
that was worrying him you know that

1150
00:44:05,430 --> 00:44:04,160
maybe he'd really been visited and then

1151
00:44:08,069 --> 00:44:05,440
lo and behold he gets sort of a

1152
00:44:09,829 --> 00:44:08,079
visitation from a paranormal equivalent

1153
00:44:10,950 --> 00:44:09,839
that just decides to screw around with

1154
00:44:13,829 --> 00:44:10,960
them

1155
00:44:14,870 --> 00:44:13,839
now is this a physical phenomenon nick

1156
00:44:16,790 --> 00:44:14,880
or

1157
00:44:18,069 --> 00:44:16,800
are people just kind of deluding

1158
00:44:19,510 --> 00:44:18,079
themselves

1159
00:44:21,670 --> 00:44:19,520
well i don't think people are deluding

1160
00:44:22,790 --> 00:44:21,680
themselves but i have a lot of cases

1161
00:44:24,470 --> 00:44:22,800
where

1162
00:44:25,990 --> 00:44:24,480
when i've listened to the witnesses when

1163
00:44:26,870 --> 00:44:26,000
they've talked about seeing the men in

1164
00:44:28,790 --> 00:44:26,880
black

1165
00:44:30,069 --> 00:44:28,800
um in their homes you know and opening

1166
00:44:31,670 --> 00:44:30,079
the front door and letting them in and

1167
00:44:34,309 --> 00:44:31,680
being threatened

1168
00:44:36,550 --> 00:44:34,319
but many of these cases have seemed to

1169
00:44:39,750 --> 00:44:36,560
occur and the witness is in a kind of

1170
00:44:42,069 --> 00:44:39,760
altered state and in some cases

1171
00:44:43,670 --> 00:44:42,079
i actually do suspect that there was

1172
00:44:45,670 --> 00:44:43,680
actually nobody in the room with them

1173
00:44:47,270 --> 00:44:45,680
they replaced something

1174
00:44:48,870 --> 00:44:47,280
probably external but i mean you can

1175
00:44:50,390 --> 00:44:48,880
never say you know what the intricacies

1176
00:44:52,470 --> 00:44:50,400
of the human mind can do

1177
00:44:53,829 --> 00:44:52,480
but i think that they were sort of

1178
00:44:55,270 --> 00:44:53,839
rendered into a state where it was

1179
00:44:57,990 --> 00:44:55,280
almost like a

1180
00:45:00,790 --> 00:44:58,000
like a matrix type state where they

1181
00:45:03,109 --> 00:45:00,800
the event didn't occur in normal reality

1182
00:45:04,390 --> 00:45:03,119
as we understand it in other words

1183
00:45:06,069 --> 00:45:04,400
you know if

1184
00:45:07,910 --> 00:45:06,079
greg had been walking past the window

1185
00:45:09,510 --> 00:45:07,920
and looked through he wouldn't have seen

1186
00:45:12,069 --> 00:45:09,520
anything other than the person sat on

1187
00:45:14,550 --> 00:45:12,079
the couch staring in some weird fashion

1188
00:45:16,230 --> 00:45:14,560
and nothing going on so i do have a few

1189
00:45:18,150 --> 00:45:16,240
reports that where i don't think it's

1190
00:45:19,270 --> 00:45:18,160
people hoaxing or fantasizing or

1191
00:45:21,270 --> 00:45:19,280
dreaming

1192
00:45:23,829 --> 00:45:21,280
i do think some of them may have been

1193
00:45:25,829 --> 00:45:23,839
sort of almost like a holographic type

1194
00:45:27,349 --> 00:45:25,839
event or something like that

1195
00:45:29,270 --> 00:45:27,359
i was going to ask nick how do you make

1196
00:45:31,750 --> 00:45:29,280
the determination between something

1197
00:45:33,190 --> 00:45:31,760
maybe actually physically happening that

1198
00:45:34,230 --> 00:45:33,200
any of us could see

1199
00:45:35,829 --> 00:45:34,240
and

1200
00:45:38,950 --> 00:45:35,839
something that you just described where

1201
00:45:40,870 --> 00:45:38,960
it might be um some sort of a projection

1202
00:45:44,470 --> 00:45:40,880
a hallucination a

1203
00:45:46,069 --> 00:45:44,480
hologram whatever you want to call it um

1204
00:45:47,190 --> 00:45:46,079
what do people tell you that makes that

1205
00:45:50,069 --> 00:45:47,200
distinction

1206
00:45:52,230 --> 00:45:50,079
well the one more than any other

1207
00:45:54,309 --> 00:45:52,240
is the actions not of the men in black

1208
00:45:56,470 --> 00:45:54,319
but of the witnesses where you know they

1209
00:45:58,710 --> 00:45:56,480
they hear the knock at the door

1210
00:46:00,470 --> 00:45:58,720
and they let them in you know i'm sure

1211
00:46:02,710 --> 00:46:00,480
it was any of us or most people if

1212
00:46:04,390 --> 00:46:02,720
you're in a normal state of mind and you

1213
00:46:05,510 --> 00:46:04,400
hear three slow bangs on your front door

1214
00:46:06,950 --> 00:46:05,520
at midnight

1215
00:46:07,829 --> 00:46:06,960
you're not just gonna throw the door

1216
00:46:09,430 --> 00:46:07,839
open

1217
00:46:11,750 --> 00:46:09,440
very least you know you're gonna look

1218
00:46:13,990 --> 00:46:11,760
through the spy hole and if you see

1219
00:46:15,589 --> 00:46:14,000
three guys like five feet tall with skin

1220
00:46:17,030 --> 00:46:15,599
the color of a bottle of a bottle of

1221
00:46:18,950 --> 00:46:17,040
milk you know you're not going to let

1222
00:46:20,390 --> 00:46:18,960
them in but people do

1223
00:46:22,150 --> 00:46:20,400
and people

1224
00:46:25,589 --> 00:46:22,160
invite them in they sit down and they

1225
00:46:27,829 --> 00:46:25,599
get the threat given etc etc and i think

1226
00:46:29,270 --> 00:46:27,839
if this was just a normal situation of

1227
00:46:30,230 --> 00:46:29,280
somebody knocking on the door and coming

1228
00:46:32,150 --> 00:46:30,240
in

1229
00:46:34,550 --> 00:46:32,160
the reactions of the witnesses wouldn't

1230
00:46:36,230 --> 00:46:34,560
be the way they are and he almost is

1231
00:46:38,309 --> 00:46:36,240
sort of like you know if you have a

1232
00:46:39,750 --> 00:46:38,319
dream and at the time it all seems

1233
00:46:41,109 --> 00:46:39,760
totally logical you wake up the next

1234
00:46:43,270 --> 00:46:41,119
morning you think well that dream is

1235
00:46:45,670 --> 00:46:43,280
totally stupid but at the time it wasn't

1236
00:46:46,950 --> 00:46:45,680
and so i kind of draw that parallel but

1237
00:46:49,510 --> 00:46:46,960
at the time

1238
00:46:51,430 --> 00:46:49,520
it's stupid to unlock the front door at

1239
00:46:53,430 --> 00:46:51,440
midnight and let these guys in

1240
00:46:55,349 --> 00:46:53,440
but then afterwards they're like well i

1241
00:46:56,790 --> 00:46:55,359
did do that why did i do it but maybe

1242
00:46:58,950 --> 00:46:56,800
they actually didn't

1243
00:47:00,790 --> 00:46:58,960
maybe it is a projection of some sort

1244
00:47:03,030 --> 00:47:00,800
you know i don't know for sure none of

1245
00:47:05,270 --> 00:47:03,040
us really know but having more than a

1246
00:47:07,670 --> 00:47:05,280
few cases where i've wondered if the

1247
00:47:10,870 --> 00:47:07,680
person was sort of rendered into a some

1248
00:47:12,950 --> 00:47:10,880
sort of weird altered state um you know

1249
00:47:14,710 --> 00:47:12,960
when the encounter was going down

1250
00:47:15,510 --> 00:47:14,720
well you know i think we should uh kind

1251
00:47:17,270 --> 00:47:15,520
of

1252
00:47:19,430 --> 00:47:17,280
backtrack a little bit here and give

1253
00:47:20,150 --> 00:47:19,440
some of our newer listeners who are not

1254
00:47:22,309 --> 00:47:20,160
or

1255
00:47:23,190 --> 00:47:22,319
not as up to speed on the subject as we

1256
00:47:25,430 --> 00:47:23,200
are

1257
00:47:27,910 --> 00:47:25,440
give them kind of a thumbnail sketch of

1258
00:47:30,710 --> 00:47:27,920
how you define what a men in black

1259
00:47:31,990 --> 00:47:30,720
or the men in black are one thing that

1260
00:47:35,510 --> 00:47:32,000
is often

1261
00:47:36,470 --> 00:47:35,520
associated with accounts of these visits

1262
00:47:39,190 --> 00:47:36,480
are

1263
00:47:41,510 --> 00:47:39,200
what seem to be brand new

1264
00:47:44,550 --> 00:47:41,520
but old

1265
00:47:45,750 --> 00:47:44,560
luxury cars like a cadillac or a lincoln

1266
00:47:47,510 --> 00:47:45,760
and

1267
00:47:50,390 --> 00:47:47,520
oftentimes are described as black

1268
00:47:52,150 --> 00:47:50,400
colored but looking brand spanking new

1269
00:47:53,990 --> 00:47:52,160
even though they're they're maybe a

1270
00:47:55,589 --> 00:47:54,000
decade or two old

1271
00:47:57,510 --> 00:47:55,599
they're from cuba yeah

1272
00:47:59,910 --> 00:47:57,520
greg do you want to sort of give the

1273
00:48:01,589 --> 00:47:59,920
sort of the prototype description of the

1274
00:48:03,750 --> 00:48:01,599
mib

1275
00:48:05,430 --> 00:48:03,760
i guess so i mean the classical one i

1276
00:48:06,710 --> 00:48:05,440
think of and nick just wrote the book on

1277
00:48:08,710 --> 00:48:06,720
this so you know you can jump in

1278
00:48:09,990 --> 00:48:08,720
whatever and say wrong

1279
00:48:13,349 --> 00:48:10,000
but

1280
00:48:15,589 --> 00:48:13,359
the classic is uh if you have a some

1281
00:48:16,710 --> 00:48:15,599
kind of a ufo sighting this is the ufo

1282
00:48:18,550 --> 00:48:16,720
literature

1283
00:48:20,069 --> 00:48:18,560
at some point

1284
00:48:21,589 --> 00:48:20,079
very soon after the sighting somebody

1285
00:48:23,829 --> 00:48:21,599
shows up at your door

1286
00:48:25,349 --> 00:48:23,839
um looking as nick has described and

1287
00:48:26,710 --> 00:48:25,359
chris has described

1288
00:48:28,549 --> 00:48:26,720
uh

1289
00:48:30,069 --> 00:48:28,559
and telling you and some seemingly

1290
00:48:32,710 --> 00:48:30,079
knowing everything about your personal

1291
00:48:35,030 --> 00:48:32,720
life and more importantly every little

1292
00:48:36,710 --> 00:48:35,040
detail of the sighting you had

1293
00:48:38,549 --> 00:48:36,720
repeats that back to you and tells and

1294
00:48:39,829 --> 00:48:38,559
warns you not to talk to about talk

1295
00:48:41,910 --> 00:48:39,839
about it

1296
00:48:42,950 --> 00:48:41,920
and then they drive away uh or walk out

1297
00:48:46,470 --> 00:48:42,960
the door

1298
00:48:48,870 --> 00:48:46,480
person isn't there right after they walk

1299
00:48:50,870 --> 00:48:48,880
out the door or they go out to a car and

1300
00:48:52,230 --> 00:48:50,880
the car doesn't make any noise or has a

1301
00:48:54,710 --> 00:48:52,240
sometimes they say it has some kind of

1302
00:48:56,069 --> 00:48:54,720
strange glow inside anyway there's a lot

1303
00:48:58,069 --> 00:48:56,079
of very

1304
00:48:59,589 --> 00:48:58,079
what's the word dream imagery

1305
00:49:01,549 --> 00:48:59,599
horror-like imagery or whatever

1306
00:49:03,109 --> 00:49:01,559
associated with basically a lot of

1307
00:49:04,950 --> 00:49:03,119
destabilizing

1308
00:49:06,630 --> 00:49:04,960
dark uh

1309
00:49:07,990 --> 00:49:06,640
uh

1310
00:49:09,670 --> 00:49:08,000
things going on

1311
00:49:11,430 --> 00:49:09,680
with people who might think they want to

1312
00:49:13,270 --> 00:49:11,440
talk about their

1313
00:49:14,790 --> 00:49:13,280
experience although

1314
00:49:17,430 --> 00:49:14,800
nick could probably speak to this this

1315
00:49:19,829 --> 00:49:17,440
is classic stuff from the 50s 60s all

1316
00:49:21,670 --> 00:49:19,839
the stuff i read when i was a kid

1317
00:49:23,270 --> 00:49:21,680
i don't know how that's changed in more

1318
00:49:24,630 --> 00:49:23,280
modern times maybe nick can talk about

1319
00:49:26,470 --> 00:49:24,640
that

1320
00:49:28,790 --> 00:49:26,480
well i mean most of the reports i get

1321
00:49:31,430 --> 00:49:28,800
today are very much sort of fit the mold

1322
00:49:32,790 --> 00:49:31,440
of the 50s you know i still get i mean

1323
00:49:35,109 --> 00:49:32,800
i've done three books on the men in

1324
00:49:37,670 --> 00:49:35,119
black i've got one coming out shortly on

1325
00:49:40,630 --> 00:49:37,680
women in black and i'd probably get

1326
00:49:44,150 --> 00:49:40,640
um i would say on average about three to

1327
00:49:46,390 --> 00:49:44,160
four many black reports every week um

1328
00:49:48,390 --> 00:49:46,400
now some of them are recent ones some of

1329
00:49:50,870 --> 00:49:48,400
them died back today yeah i was gonna

1330
00:49:53,589 --> 00:49:50,880
say wait a minute three or four a week

1331
00:49:57,270 --> 00:49:53,599
yeah yeah i'm not i'm not kidding

1332
00:49:58,470 --> 00:49:57,280
oh yeah and most of them are along the

1333
00:50:00,630 --> 00:49:58,480
lines of

1334
00:50:03,829 --> 00:50:00,640
you know the fedora hat

1335
00:50:06,390 --> 00:50:03,839
the weird looking pasty plastic-like

1336
00:50:08,950 --> 00:50:06,400
skin the sort of white totally

1337
00:50:12,950 --> 00:50:08,960
emotionless and where there's very often

1338
00:50:14,230 --> 00:50:12,960
a paranormal aspect to it as well um

1339
00:50:16,470 --> 00:50:14,240
for example

1340
00:50:18,150 --> 00:50:16,480
um in some of the recent cases i've got

1341
00:50:19,829 --> 00:50:18,160
uh which where people have actually seen

1342
00:50:21,589 --> 00:50:19,839
bigfoot and they've been visited by the

1343
00:50:23,670 --> 00:50:21,599
men in black or

1344
00:50:27,190 --> 00:50:23,680
they've been dabbling with ouija boards

1345
00:50:29,109 --> 00:50:27,200
and other cases where um

1346
00:50:32,390 --> 00:50:29,119
there were things like uh spontaneous

1347
00:50:35,349 --> 00:50:32,400
outbreaks of uh poltergeist activity

1348
00:50:38,470 --> 00:50:35,359
and so in other words most of the cases

1349
00:50:41,430 --> 00:50:38,480
i get don't fall into like the secret

1350
00:50:44,549 --> 00:50:41,440
agents kind of category they still fall

1351
00:50:46,470 --> 00:50:44,559
into the angle of this the kind of thing

1352
00:50:49,910 --> 00:50:46,480
that bender was talking about in the 50s

1353
00:50:52,630 --> 00:50:49,920
and kale was talking about in the 60s

1354
00:50:55,190 --> 00:50:52,640
do they know about these things

1355
00:50:57,829 --> 00:50:55,200
well

1356
00:50:59,750 --> 00:50:57,839
they do in the sense that um because

1357
00:51:02,069 --> 00:50:59,760
people have been exposed to

1358
00:51:03,910 --> 00:51:02,079
the men in black mystery be through the

1359
00:51:06,230 --> 00:51:03,920
you know through the movies

1360
00:51:07,030 --> 00:51:06,240
um so everybody knows the term men in

1361
00:51:09,750 --> 00:51:07,040
black

1362
00:51:11,589 --> 00:51:09,760
but for the most part you know people

1363
00:51:13,589 --> 00:51:11,599
just want to share the stories and say

1364
00:51:15,109 --> 00:51:13,599
you know can you explain it or say well

1365
00:51:16,549 --> 00:51:15,119
the best i can do

1366
00:51:17,990 --> 00:51:16,559
is tell you the way you tell me

1367
00:51:19,829 --> 00:51:18,000
parallels

1368
00:51:21,190 --> 00:51:19,839
what i've heard in a lot of other cases

1369
00:51:22,870 --> 00:51:21,200
and um

1370
00:51:23,910 --> 00:51:22,880
which is true you know and so for that

1371
00:51:25,670 --> 00:51:23,920
reason

1372
00:51:29,109 --> 00:51:25,680
um we're clearly dealing with a

1373
00:51:31,589 --> 00:51:29,119
phenomenon that hasn't really changed

1374
00:51:40,390 --> 00:51:31,599
we have nick redfern we have greg bishop

1375
00:51:45,150 --> 00:51:43,829
thank you for listening to gcn

1376
00:51:47,990 --> 00:51:45,160
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1377
00:51:50,069 --> 00:51:48,000
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1378
00:51:52,390 --> 00:51:50,079
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1379
00:51:53,990 --> 00:51:52,400
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welcome back to the paracast the gold

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and now

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it's either italian or spanish i haven't

1431
00:54:28,630 --> 00:54:26,400
figured it out yet

1432
00:54:30,390 --> 00:54:28,640
it's in the language of chaok folks

1433
00:54:32,309 --> 00:54:30,400
which you would not know that unless you

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read the book flying saucers in the

1435
00:54:37,109 --> 00:54:35,359
three men but nick was immersed in

1436
00:54:38,870 --> 00:54:37,119
describing something i want to finish

1437
00:54:39,829 --> 00:54:38,880
that before chris chimes in with a

1438
00:54:41,910 --> 00:54:39,839
question

1439
00:54:44,549 --> 00:54:41,920
well yeah i was just basically saying

1440
00:54:46,630 --> 00:54:44,559
that you know the imagery that we have

1441
00:54:48,549 --> 00:54:46,640
today is still the old imagery and when

1442
00:54:50,390 --> 00:54:48,559
greg asks the question you know do

1443
00:54:52,150 --> 00:54:50,400
people sort of know what they're talking

1444
00:54:53,750 --> 00:54:52,160
about are they aware of these things a

1445
00:54:56,069 --> 00:54:53,760
lot of them aren't aware of the

1446
00:54:57,910 --> 00:54:56,079
phenomenon through the movies but you

1447
00:55:00,069 --> 00:54:57,920
know a lot of people

1448
00:55:02,549 --> 00:55:00,079
i don't think are aware that when they

1449
00:55:03,750 --> 00:55:02,559
sort of relate certain little

1450
00:55:05,589 --> 00:55:03,760
items

1451
00:55:07,030 --> 00:55:05,599
that most people wouldn't pick up on but

1452
00:55:08,069 --> 00:55:07,040
i have picked on because you know

1453
00:55:09,190 --> 00:55:08,079
they're sort of

1454
00:55:11,750 --> 00:55:09,200
you know they're threads that run

1455
00:55:13,750 --> 00:55:11,760
through a lot of cases um like the ouija

1456
00:55:15,030 --> 00:55:13,760
board angle you know i've got i've got

1457
00:55:17,109 --> 00:55:15,040
probably now

1458
00:55:19,349 --> 00:55:17,119
10 or 11 cases of people who said oh you

1459
00:55:21,109 --> 00:55:19,359
know using a ouija board and then the

1460
00:55:23,430 --> 00:55:21,119
next night i was having this weird dream

1461
00:55:26,309 --> 00:55:23,440
this guy in the bedroom wearing a black

1462
00:55:28,390 --> 00:55:26,319
fedora hat i've got so many cases like

1463
00:55:31,750 --> 00:55:28,400
that that it goes beyond for me at least

1464
00:55:33,510 --> 00:55:31,760
being a coincidence so um you know

1465
00:55:35,109 --> 00:55:33,520
people are seeing these things they want

1466
00:55:37,030 --> 00:55:35,119
answers but

1467
00:55:39,349 --> 00:55:37,040
and they haven't changed as i said

1468
00:55:40,470 --> 00:55:39,359
they're still albert bender's mib from

1469
00:55:42,630 --> 00:55:40,480
years ago

1470
00:55:44,549 --> 00:55:42,640
you know and i should uh chime in here

1471
00:55:47,670 --> 00:55:44,559
to use your term

1472
00:55:51,190 --> 00:55:47,680
and point out that there's als also in

1473
00:55:54,390 --> 00:55:51,200
the 60s and 70s there was this veneer of

1474
00:55:56,870 --> 00:55:54,400
of weirdness like these beans or

1475
00:55:58,789 --> 00:55:56,880
entities whatever you want to call them

1476
00:56:01,109 --> 00:55:58,799
didn't seem to be comfortable in their

1477
00:56:01,829 --> 00:56:01,119
own clothing or their skins they would

1478
00:56:04,870 --> 00:56:01,839
do

1479
00:56:06,950 --> 00:56:04,880
things strangely they had strange walks

1480
00:56:09,910 --> 00:56:06,960
uh try to eat jello with a knife or i

1481
00:56:12,230 --> 00:56:09,920
think was in what a valet book yeah in

1482
00:56:14,390 --> 00:56:12,240
many cases they were described as as

1483
00:56:16,710 --> 00:56:14,400
having kind of oriental features which

1484
00:56:19,349 --> 00:56:16,720
is something that i think the average

1485
00:56:20,309 --> 00:56:19,359
person who's heard the term men in black

1486
00:56:22,630 --> 00:56:20,319
um

1487
00:56:23,990 --> 00:56:22,640
really is not aware of and quite a

1488
00:56:26,710 --> 00:56:24,000
number of cases have featured

1489
00:56:29,190 --> 00:56:26,720
descriptions of pasty

1490
00:56:31,910 --> 00:56:29,200
white skin

1491
00:56:33,589 --> 00:56:31,920
beans but they have oriental features

1492
00:56:36,309 --> 00:56:33,599
which

1493
00:56:38,230 --> 00:56:36,319
anybody want to care to comment on that

1494
00:56:39,990 --> 00:56:38,240
uh the only thing i can think of when

1495
00:56:41,829 --> 00:56:40,000
i've read these things and what chris is

1496
00:56:43,349 --> 00:56:41,839
saying and at this point in my life is

1497
00:56:45,750 --> 00:56:43,359
that

1498
00:56:47,990 --> 00:56:45,760
maybe people are ascribing oriental

1499
00:56:49,349 --> 00:56:48,000
features to

1500
00:56:51,109 --> 00:56:49,359
something that they don't exactly know

1501
00:56:52,549 --> 00:56:51,119
what an oriental feature is or they get

1502
00:56:53,510 --> 00:56:52,559
it from the movies or something like

1503
00:56:56,950 --> 00:56:53,520
that

1504
00:56:59,270 --> 00:56:56,960
thinking of while nick was talking is

1505
00:57:01,270 --> 00:56:59,280
how do the people know this stuff except

1506
00:57:03,349 --> 00:57:01,280
because i'm i'm really having a hard

1507
00:57:05,109 --> 00:57:03,359
time with what's the reality of the men

1508
00:57:06,470 --> 00:57:05,119
in black i have a feeling they're kind

1509
00:57:08,230 --> 00:57:06,480
of like bigfoot that they're kind of

1510
00:57:10,069 --> 00:57:08,240
there when they're there but when

1511
00:57:12,549 --> 00:57:10,079
they're not they're not and they need

1512
00:57:15,030 --> 00:57:12,559
somebody there to actually in a lot of

1513
00:57:17,349 --> 00:57:15,040
cases if it is truly a paranormal type

1514
00:57:19,109 --> 00:57:17,359
experience to sort of bring them into

1515
00:57:20,630 --> 00:57:19,119
existence or at least have something to

1516
00:57:21,750 --> 00:57:20,640
react against if you can see what i'm

1517
00:57:24,230 --> 00:57:21,760
getting at

1518
00:57:26,309 --> 00:57:24,240
no i'd totally understand i mean there

1519
00:57:28,470 --> 00:57:26,319
actually are a couple of pointers in

1520
00:57:30,630 --> 00:57:28,480
that direction one being but

1521
00:57:32,230 --> 00:57:30,640
it's almost as if the men in black when

1522
00:57:33,510 --> 00:57:32,240
they arrive they turn up at the door

1523
00:57:34,630 --> 00:57:33,520
literally out of nowhere and then when

1524
00:57:36,309 --> 00:57:34,640
they leave

1525
00:57:38,630 --> 00:57:36,319
they just flit out of reality you know

1526
00:57:40,470 --> 00:57:38,640
there are cases of people racing to the

1527
00:57:41,990 --> 00:57:40,480
door after they've gone you know they

1528
00:57:43,670 --> 00:57:42,000
suddenly come out of this weird stupor

1529
00:57:45,349 --> 00:57:43,680
and they race to the door and there's no

1530
00:57:47,430 --> 00:57:45,359
sign of them there's no footprints

1531
00:57:49,750 --> 00:57:47,440
there's no cars they're just it's almost

1532
00:57:51,430 --> 00:57:49,760
as if before they came through the door

1533
00:57:54,069 --> 00:57:51,440
and left and after they left the door

1534
00:57:56,069 --> 00:57:54,079
they didn't exist in some fashion but

1535
00:57:57,990 --> 00:57:56,079
one of the interesting theories that

1536
00:58:00,390 --> 00:57:58,000
sort of ties in with what greg said

1537
00:58:01,750 --> 00:58:00,400
about tulpas and the idea that you know

1538
00:58:04,309 --> 00:58:01,760
are they only sort of temporary

1539
00:58:05,829 --> 00:58:04,319
manifestations the one thread that runs

1540
00:58:08,390 --> 00:58:05,839
through all the men in black reports is

1541
00:58:10,309 --> 00:58:08,400
that they try and frighten people now if

1542
00:58:13,190 --> 00:58:10,319
you look at some of these stories about

1543
00:58:15,990 --> 00:58:13,200
tulpas and thought forms you know one of

1544
00:58:18,309 --> 00:58:16,000
the one of the theories is the idea that

1545
00:58:20,230 --> 00:58:18,319
they sort of thrive on human emotion you

1546
00:58:21,589 --> 00:58:20,240
know high states of emotion

1547
00:58:24,309 --> 00:58:21,599
so in that sense you can make an

1548
00:58:26,470 --> 00:58:24,319
argument maybe the threat actually isn't

1549
00:58:28,150 --> 00:58:26,480
a real threat it's not designed to

1550
00:58:30,710 --> 00:58:28,160
silence the person that talking about

1551
00:58:33,270 --> 00:58:30,720
ufos maybe the threat is designed to

1552
00:58:35,829 --> 00:58:33,280
frighten the person and then that allows

1553
00:58:38,230 --> 00:58:35,839
them to sort of in a parasitic fashion

1554
00:58:40,069 --> 00:58:38,240
feed on all that adrenaline and stress

1555
00:58:42,390 --> 00:58:40,079
chemicals running around the body in a

1556
00:58:44,150 --> 00:58:42,400
strange way you know presuming of course

1557
00:58:46,870 --> 00:58:44,160
that's feasible but you know i do

1558
00:58:47,990 --> 00:58:46,880
sometimes wonder if the threat is like a

1559
00:58:50,630 --> 00:58:48,000
ruse

1560
00:58:52,470 --> 00:58:50,640
to to provoke a sort of a high state of

1561
00:58:55,349 --> 00:58:52,480
emotion which maybe

1562
00:58:57,109 --> 00:58:55,359
is important to them in some fashion

1563
00:58:59,030 --> 00:58:57,119
well one thing that

1564
00:59:01,190 --> 00:58:59,040
that i've noticed in a lot of reports is

1565
00:59:03,589 --> 00:59:01,200
that the men in black

1566
00:59:05,990 --> 00:59:03,599
know details of an experience that

1567
00:59:08,309 --> 00:59:06,000
in some cases has not even been told to

1568
00:59:10,230 --> 00:59:08,319
another individual by the witness

1569
00:59:12,710 --> 00:59:10,240
so it's almost like they they could read

1570
00:59:14,710 --> 00:59:12,720
the witnesses mind and they know

1571
00:59:16,549 --> 00:59:14,720
facts that they there's no way they

1572
00:59:18,390 --> 00:59:16,559
could have gone to like a neighbor to a

1573
00:59:20,309 --> 00:59:18,400
friend and gotten that information

1574
00:59:22,630 --> 00:59:20,319
because the witness will say i never

1575
00:59:25,030 --> 00:59:22,640
told anybody and and right after i had

1576
00:59:27,750 --> 00:59:25,040
this experience boom these uh these

1577
00:59:29,109 --> 00:59:27,760
creepy creepy guys showed up or yeah

1578
00:59:30,870 --> 00:59:29,119
well it sounds like

1579
00:59:33,030 --> 00:59:30,880
yeah it sounds like it's coming from you

1580
00:59:35,030 --> 00:59:33,040
know if nobody else has been told maybe

1581
00:59:36,390 --> 00:59:35,040
a lot of it is coming from the person

1582
00:59:38,309 --> 00:59:36,400
but leaving out the fact you know

1583
00:59:40,309 --> 00:59:38,319
whether there's an actual physical been

1584
00:59:43,270 --> 00:59:40,319
in black there or not it also brings

1585
00:59:45,670 --> 00:59:43,280
what you just said chris and and uh

1586
00:59:47,910 --> 00:59:45,680
nick was something a uh another

1587
00:59:52,870 --> 00:59:47,920
researcher told me recently about fear

1588
00:59:56,950 --> 00:59:54,549
well that would make sense you know it

1589
00:59:58,950 --> 00:59:56,960
would explain as you said greg about how

1590
01:00:01,510 --> 00:59:58,960
the men in black would know

1591
01:00:03,750 --> 01:00:01,520
um all about your experiences because

1592
01:00:05,910 --> 01:00:03,760
maybe that fear factor is sort of

1593
01:00:07,510 --> 01:00:05,920
actually in some way responsible for

1594
01:00:08,710 --> 01:00:07,520
creating the men in black in the first

1595
01:00:10,230 --> 01:00:08,720
place you know so of course they're

1596
01:00:13,109 --> 01:00:10,240
going to know you know what's going

1597
01:00:13,119 --> 01:00:16,069
right exactly

1598
01:00:20,870 --> 01:00:18,549
so he does got but i mean this is one of

1599
01:00:22,710 --> 01:00:20,880
the things more than any one of one

1600
01:00:24,309 --> 01:00:22,720
aspect more than any other of the ufo

1601
01:00:27,109 --> 01:00:24,319
subjects where

1602
01:00:29,430 --> 01:00:27,119
it involves researchers and

1603
01:00:31,750 --> 01:00:29,440
the witnesses you know if you look at

1604
01:00:32,870 --> 01:00:31,760
somebody who's spoken uh you know to an

1605
01:00:34,950 --> 01:00:32,880
uh

1606
01:00:37,430 --> 01:00:34,960
research about a ufo incident they've

1607
01:00:39,349 --> 01:00:37,440
had well the person telling the story

1608
01:00:41,270 --> 01:00:39,359
has had the experience and the

1609
01:00:43,589 --> 01:00:41,280
researcher is collecting and analyzing

1610
01:00:45,030 --> 01:00:43,599
the data but what you often find in men

1611
01:00:47,030 --> 01:00:45,040
in black cases

1612
01:00:48,470 --> 01:00:47,040
is that you know there are the witnesses

1613
01:00:49,589 --> 01:00:48,480
who talk about their experiences and

1614
01:00:51,670 --> 01:00:49,599
then when

1615
01:00:53,750 --> 01:00:51,680
researchers investigate the men in black

1616
01:00:55,349 --> 01:00:53,760
sometimes they or quite often they find

1617
01:00:57,670 --> 01:00:55,359
themselves on me

1618
01:00:59,109 --> 01:00:57,680
so the end of the men in black as well

1619
01:01:01,990 --> 01:00:59,119
and that doesn't often happen in like

1620
01:01:03,910 --> 01:01:02,000
abductions or contacting cases it's like

1621
01:01:05,109 --> 01:01:03,920
the researcher and the witness is

1622
01:01:06,950 --> 01:01:05,119
separate

1623
01:01:09,589 --> 01:01:06,960
you know like the police interviewing a

1624
01:01:11,349 --> 01:01:09,599
victim of a crime but not not with the

1625
01:01:13,109 --> 01:01:11,359
men in black you know it very often is

1626
01:01:15,270 --> 01:01:13,119
the case that um

1627
01:01:17,349 --> 01:01:15,280
you know the researchers start getting

1628
01:01:19,270 --> 01:01:17,359
weird phone calls or somebody stops

1629
01:01:20,870 --> 01:01:19,280
outside the house and takes a photograph

1630
01:01:23,510 --> 01:01:20,880
you know all sorts of strange things

1631
01:01:25,750 --> 01:01:23,520
like that which i know greg's had

1632
01:01:26,630 --> 01:01:25,760
let me ask you a quick question here

1633
01:01:28,630 --> 01:01:26,640
nick

1634
01:01:30,710 --> 01:01:28,640
the people you've talked to

1635
01:01:32,789 --> 01:01:30,720
who have encountered some kind of man in

1636
01:01:35,670 --> 01:01:32,799
black or men in black or women in black

1637
01:01:37,829 --> 01:01:35,680
phenomenon were they previously familiar

1638
01:01:39,990 --> 01:01:37,839
with the legend of the men in black

1639
01:01:41,829 --> 01:01:40,000
before they had this experience or was

1640
01:01:44,470 --> 01:01:41,839
it new to them

1641
01:01:45,829 --> 01:01:44,480
it was only well it wasn't new to them

1642
01:01:48,230 --> 01:01:45,839
in the sense that they knew of the

1643
01:01:49,150 --> 01:01:48,240
movies but they didn't have for the most

1644
01:01:51,349 --> 01:01:49,160
part

1645
01:01:53,190 --> 01:01:51,359
pre-conceived knowledge of you know the

1646
01:01:55,190 --> 01:01:53,200
whole history of the men in black you

1647
01:01:57,190 --> 01:01:55,200
know a couple of themselves obviously

1648
01:01:59,510 --> 01:01:57,200
i'm you know i'm paraphrasing here but i

1649
01:02:01,670 --> 01:01:59,520
know a couple of them said stuff like

1650
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i saw a couple of men in black or they

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visited me and they were you know

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straight out of the movies that kind of

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thing so they knew who they were because

1654
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there was this sudden in the mid in the

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mid to late 90s this sudden shift where

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everybody had heard of the men in black

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you see what i mean

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but

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certainly the ones i've spoken to who

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made the analogy between the movie

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versions

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they didn't know anything about or never

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even mentioned you know the weirder

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aspects it was just they're in black

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01:02:28,630 --> 01:02:27,200
suits and they threatened me you know

1666
01:02:30,150 --> 01:02:28,640
they were the man in black

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so um

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but again you know that's that's one of

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the awkward things when you're trying to

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study these cases is because

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you know it's better that pre-90s you

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know

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01:02:42,710 --> 01:02:41,680
you could say okay someone says more

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01:02:45,670 --> 01:02:42,720
credible

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01:02:46,789 --> 01:02:45,680
but you could analyze it easier without

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the

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sort of infection if you like caused by

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the movies which led everybody on the

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planet to have heard of the men in black

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it's funny how memes can propagate

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but i mean i don't i mean i don't know

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if greg wants to talk about his own

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you know that sort of weird stuff that

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happened and what element

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you know what let's have greg talk about

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that

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in our next segment this way it gives

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people time to take a breather him time

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to take a breather and rehearse his best

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power cast stinger yet

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so we'll be back with nick and greg

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bishop

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and reminder if you want to learn more

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so we have nick redfern greg bishop gene

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and chris greg

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uh nick asked me to describe my um my i

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wasn't really a men in black because

1813
01:08:25,749 --> 01:08:22,960
i've never really had a men in black

1814
01:08:27,669 --> 01:08:25,759
uh episode but i did have a paranoid

1815
01:08:28,630 --> 01:08:27,679
period of my life which lasted for about

1816
01:08:29,990 --> 01:08:28,640
a year

1817
01:08:31,510 --> 01:08:30,000
and i referred to this a little bit

1818
01:08:33,749 --> 01:08:31,520
earlier

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01:08:35,510 --> 01:08:33,759
what it was is that uh this guy from

1820
01:08:36,789 --> 01:08:35,520
naval intelligence started telling me

1821
01:08:38,709 --> 01:08:36,799
things he started telling me that people

1822
01:08:41,110 --> 01:08:38,719
could look at my computer when i was on

1823
01:08:43,269 --> 01:08:41,120
the computer they could watch me anytime

1824
01:08:45,189 --> 01:08:43,279
they wanted anyway he just got me worked

1825
01:08:47,590 --> 01:08:45,199
up into a paranoid frenzy the funny

1826
01:08:49,590 --> 01:08:47,600
thing was stuff started happening

1827
01:08:53,189 --> 01:08:49,600
and i'll give you a couple examples one

1828
01:08:55,269 --> 01:08:53,199
mail started being opened and and uh

1829
01:08:57,829 --> 01:08:55,279
intercepted by you know before it got to

1830
01:09:00,070 --> 01:08:57,839
my post office box which hadn't happened

1831
01:09:02,870 --> 01:09:00,080
before and it was completely unrelated

1832
01:09:05,430 --> 01:09:02,880
to this navy guy it was um carla turner

1833
01:09:08,070 --> 01:09:05,440
and uh peter jordan was who chris knows

1834
01:09:10,470 --> 01:09:08,080
about he was a cow mutilation researcher

1835
01:09:11,829 --> 01:09:10,480
every envelope i got from those two

1836
01:09:14,950 --> 01:09:11,839
people were either

1837
01:09:16,470 --> 01:09:14,960
destroyed open or something which means

1838
01:09:17,990 --> 01:09:16,480
that somebody was trying to let me know

1839
01:09:19,910 --> 01:09:18,000
that they're that they were watching

1840
01:09:21,910 --> 01:09:19,920
that mail because you can open mail not

1841
01:09:24,149 --> 01:09:21,920
have anybody know the other thing i

1842
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think nick was referring to is uh once i

1843
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was sitting in my front room and i

1844
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looked out the front there was a guy

1845
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sitting across the street in the car

1846
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looking in our front window of our

1847
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apartment on the ground floor

1848
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and when i went up to the window to see

1849
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what was going on he took a picture and

1850
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drove away now i suppose he could have

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been a real estate person or something i

1852
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don't know no he was a fan greg come on

1853
01:09:43,910 --> 01:09:41,920
he was a fan

1854
01:09:47,189 --> 01:09:43,920
right he wanted to actually come and buy

1855
01:09:49,189 --> 01:09:47,199
a copy of greg's book it defies language

1856
01:09:51,110 --> 01:09:49,199
no this is before that book came out oh

1857
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well maybe he knew the book would come

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01:09:54,950 --> 01:09:53,040
out one of these days

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a time traveler the other thing is i

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started getting phone calls all day and

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night um that would you know i'd pick up

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the phone that'd be either no nothing or

1863
01:10:06,070 --> 01:10:03,760
a strange noise and i'd hang the phone

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01:10:08,229 --> 01:10:06,080
up no heavy duty

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no no heavy breathing unfortunately i

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didn't uh get any any heavy breathers so

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usually you don't have women heavy

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breathers but whatever no well that

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would be fun

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yeah then i'd stay on the line you know

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but um

1872
01:10:25,590 --> 01:10:24,320
it would be like a buzzing or something

1873
01:10:27,669 --> 01:10:25,600
like weird noise and i would get

1874
01:10:29,350 --> 01:10:27,679
paranoid and go oh my god this is the uh

1875
01:10:31,510 --> 01:10:29,360
this is the tone that's gonna take over

1876
01:10:33,590 --> 01:10:31,520
my mind and make me go you know kill the

1877
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president or something you know i'll uh

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manchurian candidate

1879
01:10:38,310 --> 01:10:36,960
and the final thing

1880
01:10:39,990 --> 01:10:38,320
i'm trying to think of the final thing

1881
01:10:40,790 --> 01:10:40,000
that really freaked me out

1882
01:10:43,110 --> 01:10:40,800
oh

1883
01:10:45,590 --> 01:10:43,120
i talked about this in the book i was

1884
01:10:47,750 --> 01:10:45,600
working at night in my house and i'll

1885
01:10:49,430 --> 01:10:47,760
make this short in my apartment there

1886
01:10:51,669 --> 01:10:49,440
was apartment upstairs that was exactly

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the same floor plan as mine this is like

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two in the morning

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everybody's asleep i'm working on my

1890
01:10:58,709 --> 01:10:57,120
computer working on excluded middle i

1891
01:11:00,790 --> 01:10:58,719
get up and walk out of my room and i

1892
01:11:02,070 --> 01:11:00,800
noticed that my landlord whoever lived

1893
01:11:04,709 --> 01:11:02,080
was up there because my landlord was

1894
01:11:06,390 --> 01:11:04,719
there walked out of that room upstairs

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the same time i did

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and i walked back to the back bedroom

1897
01:11:11,430 --> 01:11:09,840
and that person upstairs walked back to

1898
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the back bedroom and i thought ah weird

1899
01:11:14,790 --> 01:11:12,880
coincidence

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01:11:16,310 --> 01:11:14,800
and then for the next probably five

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01:11:18,550 --> 01:11:16,320
minutes or more

1902
01:11:20,070 --> 01:11:18,560
whoever it was up there went everywhere

1903
01:11:21,750 --> 01:11:20,080
i went in the house

1904
01:11:23,590 --> 01:11:21,760
really weird i mean i really started

1905
01:11:25,270 --> 01:11:23,600
getting freaked out and so finally i ran

1906
01:11:26,870 --> 01:11:25,280
into my computer and for some reason the

1907
01:11:28,390 --> 01:11:26,880
first thing i remember is

1908
01:11:30,390 --> 01:11:28,400
people can read the guy told me people

1909
01:11:32,390 --> 01:11:30,400
can read what's on your computer screen

1910
01:11:33,750 --> 01:11:32,400
i typed in in really large letters i

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01:11:35,830 --> 01:11:33,760
like called up microsoft word or

1912
01:11:37,990 --> 01:11:35,840
something put a really large font i did

1913
01:11:41,830 --> 01:11:38,000
i know what you're doing stop it and it

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01:11:44,709 --> 01:11:43,030
oh boy

1915
01:11:46,790 --> 01:11:44,719
hey just because you're paranoid doesn't

1916
01:11:48,470 --> 01:11:46,800
mean they're not uh mimicking your every

1917
01:11:49,750 --> 01:11:48,480
movement

1918
01:11:51,430 --> 01:11:49,760
yeah well this is why i was talking

1919
01:11:53,270 --> 01:11:51,440
about you know being in kind of a

1920
01:11:54,950 --> 01:11:53,280
paranoid state of mind and what happens

1921
01:11:56,790 --> 01:11:54,960
and you know you really can't tell it's

1922
01:11:58,310 --> 01:11:56,800
real anymore at least real to somebody

1923
01:11:59,910 --> 01:11:58,320
outside of your

1924
01:12:01,910 --> 01:11:59,920
mindset or what's going on to you

1925
01:12:04,070 --> 01:12:01,920
personally doesn't mean it's not real

1926
01:12:06,229 --> 01:12:04,080
and not real for you i mean this is

1927
01:12:06,950 --> 01:12:06,239
getting into very weird uh definitions

1928
01:12:08,470 --> 01:12:06,960
about

1929
01:12:09,590 --> 01:12:08,480
reality and all that

1930
01:12:10,470 --> 01:12:09,600
but

1931
01:12:12,790 --> 01:12:10,480
at the

1932
01:12:14,149 --> 01:12:12,800
finally i got tired of being scared all

1933
01:12:15,669 --> 01:12:14,159
the time so i just said look i'm just

1934
01:12:17,590 --> 01:12:15,679
going to stop being scared i don't care

1935
01:12:19,510 --> 01:12:17,600
what's going on nobody's hurting me

1936
01:12:20,790 --> 01:12:19,520
nobody's threatening me so i'm just

1937
01:12:23,350 --> 01:12:20,800
going to

1938
01:12:27,110 --> 01:12:23,360
assume that everything's fine and within

1939
01:12:29,510 --> 01:12:27,120
a month or so all the stuff stopped

1940
01:12:31,990 --> 01:12:29,520
i i stopped opening the mail you know i

1941
01:12:33,910 --> 01:12:32,000
didn't i stopped getting the phone calls

1942
01:12:36,149 --> 01:12:33,920
now so you know what happened there

1943
01:12:38,310 --> 01:12:36,159
obviously phone calls and getting stuff

1944
01:12:39,750 --> 01:12:38,320
in the mail is not something i imagine

1945
01:12:41,270 --> 01:12:39,760
but when i made the decision to stop

1946
01:12:42,550 --> 01:12:41,280
being paranoid the paranoid stuff

1947
01:12:44,310 --> 01:12:42,560
stopped

1948
01:12:46,229 --> 01:12:44,320
really weird well you know that's

1949
01:12:49,270 --> 01:12:46,239
interesting it reminds me of the only

1950
01:12:51,350 --> 01:12:49,280
mib case that i ever uh

1951
01:12:53,430 --> 01:12:51,360
and yeah i wouldn't even call it an mib

1952
01:12:55,750 --> 01:12:53,440
case it's just a sort of ancillary to

1953
01:12:58,070 --> 01:12:55,760
the to the actual case which is one of

1954
01:13:00,310 --> 01:12:58,080
two abduction uh cases

1955
01:13:03,030 --> 01:13:00,320
um that i actually

1956
01:13:05,350 --> 01:13:03,040
ever you know were presented uh in 13

1957
01:13:06,630 --> 01:13:05,360
years in the san luis valley

1958
01:13:07,430 --> 01:13:06,640
and you know i

1959
01:13:13,750 --> 01:13:07,440
i

1960
01:13:16,149 --> 01:13:13,760
um

1961
01:13:19,430 --> 01:13:16,159
to my knowledge if ever have gotten

1962
01:13:21,270 --> 01:13:19,440
uh threatened by mib type characters and

1963
01:13:23,830 --> 01:13:21,280
this particular woman

1964
01:13:26,950 --> 01:13:23,840
um was having contact

1965
01:13:29,590 --> 01:13:26,960
with uh supposed e.t beans and she was

1966
01:13:31,510 --> 01:13:29,600
okay with it in fact she had an e.t

1967
01:13:33,430 --> 01:13:31,520
lover according to her and

1968
01:13:35,830 --> 01:13:33,440
the one aside that i just

1969
01:13:36,790 --> 01:13:35,840
can't help but mentioning is that she

1970
01:13:38,790 --> 01:13:36,800
really

1971
01:13:41,510 --> 01:13:38,800
liked it when he dressed up in this gold

1972
01:13:46,790 --> 01:13:41,520
lemay cape because

1973
01:13:51,830 --> 01:13:48,950
but at one point when she was waiting

1974
01:13:54,470 --> 01:13:51,840
for um i think it was copies of some of

1975
01:13:56,630 --> 01:13:54,480
her medical files about a missing third

1976
01:13:58,070 --> 01:13:56,640
trimester pregnancy and there's it goes

1977
01:13:59,510 --> 01:13:58,080
on to

1978
01:14:01,189 --> 01:13:59,520
you know it's quite an involved story

1979
01:14:03,270 --> 01:14:01,199
but at one point

1980
01:14:05,350 --> 01:14:03,280
she noticed that her mail had been

1981
01:14:06,950 --> 01:14:05,360
intercepted and she wasn't getting mail

1982
01:14:09,350 --> 01:14:06,960
that you know she should have gotten

1983
01:14:11,590 --> 01:14:09,360
from from family and friends and stuff

1984
01:14:12,870 --> 01:14:11,600
and uh one day she was looking out down

1985
01:14:14,950 --> 01:14:12,880
her long driveway which is about a

1986
01:14:17,590 --> 01:14:14,960
quarter mile long she she you know was a

1987
01:14:19,430 --> 01:14:17,600
rancher woman and had a horse ranch and

1988
01:14:22,470 --> 01:14:19,440
she noticed at the end of her driver she

1989
01:14:24,870 --> 01:14:22,480
said it was like this old cadillac uh if

1990
01:14:26,870 --> 01:14:24,880
i remember correctly and she said

1991
01:14:28,550 --> 01:14:26,880
these two guys were out there and she

1992
01:14:30,390 --> 01:14:28,560
said it was like the blues brothers were

1993
01:14:32,470 --> 01:14:30,400
going through her mailbox in all her

1994
01:14:33,430 --> 01:14:32,480
mail she described them as the blues

1995
01:14:35,030 --> 01:14:33,440
brothers

1996
01:14:37,430 --> 01:14:35,040
and when she ran down there and started

1997
01:14:39,350 --> 01:14:37,440
yelling they'd quickly jump into the car

1998
01:14:42,229 --> 01:14:39,360
and and sped away

1999
01:14:44,550 --> 01:14:42,239
and she actually filed a report with the

2000
01:14:46,390 --> 01:14:44,560
post office about you know people you

2001
01:14:49,189 --> 01:14:46,400
know rifling through her mail

2002
01:14:51,590 --> 01:14:49,199
and um and actually made a file um a

2003
01:14:54,149 --> 01:14:51,600
report to the local county sheriff's

2004
01:14:57,830 --> 01:14:54,159
office which which i was able to

2005
01:14:59,910 --> 01:14:57,840
corroborate so there's a case of of an

2006
01:15:00,630 --> 01:14:59,920
alleged abductee or contactee if you

2007
01:15:02,070 --> 01:15:00,640
will

2008
01:15:05,030 --> 01:15:02,080
uh

2009
01:15:08,470 --> 01:15:05,040
that had the blues brothers you know mib

2010
01:15:10,149 --> 01:15:08,480
types rifling through her mailbox

2011
01:15:11,590 --> 01:15:10,159
i love it she actually she actually

2012
01:15:14,070 --> 01:15:11,600
stopped getting her mail at her house

2013
01:15:16,229 --> 01:15:14,080
and got a po box and down as a result of

2014
01:15:18,229 --> 01:15:16,239
that

2015
01:15:20,310 --> 01:15:18,239
don't all talk at once

2016
01:15:22,229 --> 01:15:20,320
yeah well i i

2017
01:15:24,229 --> 01:15:22,239
it wasn't really a mib thing but it just

2018
01:15:26,390 --> 01:15:24,239
it just it just illustrates that when

2019
01:15:29,430 --> 01:15:26,400
you get into kind of a weird

2020
01:15:30,790 --> 01:15:29,440
frame of mind and weird state and weird

2021
01:15:33,270 --> 01:15:30,800
i don't know what it is you enter some

2022
01:15:34,870 --> 01:15:33,280
like weirdness field it starts to feed

2023
01:15:36,310 --> 01:15:34,880
on itself and like i said maybe fear is

2024
01:15:37,350 --> 01:15:36,320
part of the carrier way for that

2025
01:15:41,830 --> 01:15:37,360
basically

2026
01:15:45,830 --> 01:15:43,990
well that's sort of just time you know

2027
01:15:49,350 --> 01:15:45,840
with some stuff about thought forms and

2028
01:15:51,030 --> 01:15:49,360
tulpas and you know um

2029
01:15:53,350 --> 01:15:51,040
and just sort of the you know the fear

2030
01:15:55,350 --> 01:15:53,360
factor like bender i think

2031
01:15:57,590 --> 01:15:55,360
i i don't think it's a coincidence that

2032
01:15:59,750 --> 01:15:57,600
albert bender got so many weird men in

2033
01:16:00,870 --> 01:15:59,760
black experiences when he was someone

2034
01:16:03,189 --> 01:16:00,880
who

2035
01:16:05,590 --> 01:16:03,199
lived a life filled with distress

2036
01:16:07,590 --> 01:16:05,600
a life filled with paranoia and well not

2037
01:16:09,750 --> 01:16:07,600
so life for but i mean during those

2038
01:16:11,189 --> 01:16:09,760
formative years in ufology when he was

2039
01:16:13,590 --> 01:16:11,199
very stressed out

2040
01:16:16,229 --> 01:16:13,600
frightened by it all fearful you know

2041
01:16:17,270 --> 01:16:16,239
developed his fear of of cancer

2042
01:16:21,750 --> 01:16:17,280
and

2043
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let's do our break here we have nick

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redfern we have greg bishop we have gene

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that's porky i mean nick redfern

2149
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with greg bishop and gina and chris by

2150
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the way greg is on the road with his

2151
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cell phone

2152
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so if it sounds a little bit wobbly

2153
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it's because he's underwater

2154
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stopped at a scenic spot and i'm sitting

2155
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still here in the car so i'm trying to

2156
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hold it together here uh jean and chris

2157
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you're doing good bro you're doing good

2158
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so let's go on chris any questions from

2159
01:21:38,149 --> 01:21:35,920
our listeners of nick

2160
01:21:39,510 --> 01:21:38,159
yeah we do there's actually several

2161
01:21:41,990 --> 01:21:39,520
really good ones

2162
01:21:43,830 --> 01:21:42,000
this one comes from blowfish nick and of

2163
01:21:45,910 --> 01:21:43,840
course he's been a long time poster at

2164
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the paracast he just went over the 2000

2165
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postmark

2166
01:21:52,149 --> 01:21:49,600
and that's just last week

2167
01:21:53,189 --> 01:21:52,159
well no he's he's been around for six

2168
01:21:54,390 --> 01:21:53,199
years

2169
01:21:57,110 --> 01:21:54,400
and uh

2170
01:21:59,189 --> 01:21:57,120
he's always asking good questions he's

2171
01:22:02,070 --> 01:21:59,199
from whittingham

2172
01:22:05,590 --> 01:22:02,080
in england and uh he's wondering nick do

2173
01:22:08,470 --> 01:22:05,600
you have you heard of any mib sightings

2174
01:22:10,790 --> 01:22:08,480
or alleged encounters near or in the

2175
01:22:13,030 --> 01:22:10,800
location of bent waters or any other

2176
01:22:14,550 --> 01:22:13,040
military bases from where eyewitness

2177
01:22:17,030 --> 01:22:14,560
accounts were

2178
01:22:18,950 --> 01:22:17,040
fielded a poltergeist activity

2179
01:22:21,430 --> 01:22:18,960
or how about slender shadow men

2180
01:22:23,430 --> 01:22:21,440
sightings by eyewitnesses prior to ufo

2181
01:22:26,149 --> 01:22:23,440
events he said one part of the question

2182
01:22:27,750 --> 01:22:26,159
related to poltergeist activity

2183
01:22:30,310 --> 01:22:27,760
did what you said

2184
01:22:32,390 --> 01:22:30,320
yeah or any other military bases from

2185
01:22:35,030 --> 01:22:32,400
eyewitness accounts of poltergeist

2186
01:22:37,110 --> 01:22:35,040
activity slender or shatterman

2187
01:22:38,470 --> 01:22:37,120
well i have actually got a few cases

2188
01:22:41,110 --> 01:22:38,480
like as i mentioned earlier i think

2189
01:22:43,830 --> 01:22:41,120
perhaps 10 11 12 something like that of

2190
01:22:45,590 --> 01:22:43,840
people um who had

2191
01:22:48,709 --> 01:22:45,600
mib experiences you know they'd seen a

2192
01:22:50,629 --> 01:22:48,719
ufo had some sort of alien encounter

2193
01:22:52,709 --> 01:22:50,639
the men in black turned up and then

2194
01:22:54,550 --> 01:22:52,719
after they'd gone sometimes it was a

2195
01:22:55,430 --> 01:22:54,560
period of hours sometimes a couple of

2196
01:22:58,229 --> 01:22:55,440
days

2197
01:23:00,070 --> 01:22:58,239
there were periodic um experiences of

2198
01:23:01,510 --> 01:23:00,080
poltergeist activity in the home like

2199
01:23:03,510 --> 01:23:01,520
something

2200
01:23:06,629 --> 01:23:03,520
flying across a table or a picture just

2201
01:23:09,110 --> 01:23:06,639
falling off suddenly uh off a table

2202
01:23:12,629 --> 01:23:09,120
or doors slamming things like that

2203
01:23:14,470 --> 01:23:12,639
and there's enough cases you know 12 13

2204
01:23:16,629 --> 01:23:14,480
is not a lot but when they're coming

2205
01:23:18,070 --> 01:23:16,639
from people who i'm sure you know were

2206
01:23:19,830 --> 01:23:18,080
telling the truth and didn't know

2207
01:23:22,229 --> 01:23:19,840
anybody else you know who's telling the

2208
01:23:23,830 --> 01:23:22,239
same story they're just wanting answers

2209
01:23:26,870 --> 01:23:23,840
you know i think we're seeing a pattern

2210
01:23:28,709 --> 01:23:26,880
there now as far as the whole issue of

2211
01:23:30,310 --> 01:23:28,719
bent waters and the renal from forest

2212
01:23:32,550 --> 01:23:30,320
case is concerned

2213
01:23:36,390 --> 01:23:32,560
i'm not personally aware of any men in

2214
01:23:37,430 --> 01:23:36,400
black cases but what i do know is that

2215
01:23:42,149 --> 01:23:37,440
um

2216
01:23:44,070 --> 01:23:42,159
robinson's book left at eastgate you

2217
01:23:47,350 --> 01:23:44,080
know there's there's some indications in

2218
01:23:49,270 --> 01:23:47,360
there of of both men both larry and pete

2219
01:23:51,750 --> 01:23:49,280
have been monitored at various points

2220
01:23:53,830 --> 01:23:51,760
over the years and watched now i don't

2221
01:23:55,750 --> 01:23:53,840
think we can blame those on sort of the

2222
01:23:58,229 --> 01:23:55,760
more paranormal men in black i think

2223
01:24:00,790 --> 01:23:58,239
that probably actually is you know far

2224
01:24:02,790 --> 01:24:00,800
more to do with concerns over the air

2225
01:24:04,470 --> 01:24:02,800
and at the base and who they're talking

2226
01:24:06,790 --> 01:24:04,480
to and about what

2227
01:24:09,030 --> 01:24:06,800
um so that's that's probably the closest

2228
01:24:12,149 --> 01:24:09,040
i can think of but um

2229
01:24:14,229 --> 01:24:12,159
as far as you know mib sightings around

2230
01:24:15,430 --> 01:24:14,239
military bases no i don't i don't read

2231
01:24:16,550 --> 01:24:15,440
as far as i can remember i don't have

2232
01:24:18,229 --> 01:24:16,560
any

2233
01:24:19,990 --> 01:24:18,239
like that that's sort of you know i'm

2234
01:24:21,110 --> 01:24:20,000
not familiar with any either how about

2235
01:24:22,870 --> 01:24:21,120
you greg

2236
01:24:25,510 --> 01:24:22,880
am i being

2237
01:24:27,830 --> 01:24:25,520
around military bases right um

2238
01:24:29,110 --> 01:24:27,840
none come to mind the only thing i think

2239
01:24:30,950 --> 01:24:29,120
and we haven't really brought up was

2240
01:24:32,709 --> 01:24:30,960
this in an early interview i had with

2241
01:24:34,629 --> 01:24:32,719
bill moore he said that the men in black

2242
01:24:37,510 --> 01:24:34,639
thing was seized upon by the air force

2243
01:24:38,870 --> 01:24:37,520
and other intelligence agencies early on

2244
01:24:41,030 --> 01:24:38,880
you know they glommed onto it and then

2245
01:24:42,790 --> 01:24:41,040
just sent people out to sort of fit the

2246
01:24:45,350 --> 01:24:42,800
same description and acted the same way

2247
01:24:47,510 --> 01:24:45,360
just to mess with people and get the ufo

2248
01:24:49,750 --> 01:24:47,520
sighting information out more at least

2249
01:24:52,149 --> 01:24:49,760
any ufo sightings on a military basis so

2250
01:24:53,510 --> 01:24:52,159
they could you know help one find out

2251
01:24:55,510 --> 01:24:53,520
what they saw and two tell them to shut

2252
01:24:57,030 --> 01:24:55,520
up about it let me ask you a quick

2253
01:24:58,390 --> 01:24:57,040
question greg though

2254
01:24:59,910 --> 01:24:58,400
in light of

2255
01:25:01,350 --> 01:24:59,920
some of the things we later learned

2256
01:25:03,750 --> 01:25:01,360
about bill moore

2257
01:25:05,350 --> 01:25:03,760
why believe anything he says

2258
01:25:07,510 --> 01:25:05,360
i don't know and every time somebody

2259
01:25:09,430 --> 01:25:07,520
asks me that i tell them bill moore's my

2260
01:25:11,830 --> 01:25:09,440
friend he hasn't lied to me yet and if

2261
01:25:13,669 --> 01:25:11,840
you think i'm deluded and he's a big fat

2262
01:25:16,709 --> 01:25:13,679
liar and i shouldn't believe anything he

2263
01:25:18,550 --> 01:25:16,719
says then i'm sorry i know him and it's

2264
01:25:20,390 --> 01:25:18,560
uh that's my opinion

2265
01:25:22,310 --> 01:25:20,400
no that's fine nobody's

2266
01:25:24,870 --> 01:25:22,320
attacking you for that i was just asking

2267
01:25:26,870 --> 01:25:24,880
it seemed a sensible question

2268
01:25:30,390 --> 01:25:26,880
it in my non-attack mode i will say that

2269
01:25:32,550 --> 01:25:30,400
i'll repeat i've known bill since 1988 i

2270
01:25:34,229 --> 01:25:32,560
think i've never caught him saying

2271
01:25:36,310 --> 01:25:34,239
anything to me that either wasn't true

2272
01:25:37,750 --> 01:25:36,320
or didn't turn out to be true later so

2273
01:25:39,990 --> 01:25:37,760
i'm gonna have to go with the track

2274
01:25:40,870 --> 01:25:40,000
record of him communicating with me 28

2275
01:25:43,030 --> 01:25:40,880
years

2276
01:25:44,470 --> 01:25:43,040
yeah he can't if he tells me something

2277
01:25:46,229 --> 01:25:44,480
if he ever tells me something that's not

2278
01:25:50,149 --> 01:25:46,239
true i guess i you know throw everything

2279
01:25:52,709 --> 01:25:50,159
else into in into uh doubt but so far

2280
01:25:53,990 --> 01:25:52,719
everything is checked out and um

2281
01:25:55,990 --> 01:25:54,000
you know i don't know about other people

2282
01:25:59,189 --> 01:25:56,000
but he's always been straight with me

2283
01:25:59,910 --> 01:25:59,199
is he totally out of it or what

2284
01:26:02,149 --> 01:25:59,920
yeah

2285
01:26:03,270 --> 01:26:02,159
it has been for years i was wondering

2286
01:26:05,350 --> 01:26:03,280
yeah whether

2287
01:26:07,669 --> 01:26:05,360
i talk to him every once in a while

2288
01:26:10,390 --> 01:26:07,679
every so often probably every few months

2289
01:26:13,189 --> 01:26:10,400
and he if i mention ufo stuff he will

2290
01:26:15,110 --> 01:26:13,199
generally change the subject

2291
01:26:16,390 --> 01:26:15,120
so yeah he's he's pretty well sick of it

2292
01:26:18,629 --> 01:26:16,400
doesn't want to talk about it anymore

2293
01:26:19,669 --> 01:26:18,639
not really interested in anymore

2294
01:26:21,669 --> 01:26:19,679
and he

2295
01:26:24,310 --> 01:26:21,679
you know like he said years ago i i

2296
01:26:26,629 --> 01:26:24,320
found out as much as i could and it

2297
01:26:28,229 --> 01:26:26,639
wasn't really a whole hell of a lot of

2298
01:26:30,470 --> 01:26:28,239
anything important that i really needed

2299
01:26:32,070 --> 01:26:30,480
or anybody else did so but it was a fun

2300
01:26:34,229 --> 01:26:32,080
adventure i think that's basically his

2301
01:26:37,910 --> 01:26:34,239
attitude now

2302
01:26:38,950 --> 01:26:37,920
well let bygones be bygones i guess

2303
01:26:40,390 --> 01:26:38,960
all right

2304
01:26:41,590 --> 01:26:40,400
well i was just going to say once you

2305
01:26:43,830 --> 01:26:41,600
finish your thought and then i'll go on

2306
01:26:45,430 --> 01:26:43,840
to another blowfish question

2307
01:26:47,189 --> 01:26:45,440
no i finished my thought please go on

2308
01:26:49,590 --> 01:26:47,199
with the listener questions

2309
01:26:51,030 --> 01:26:49,600
okay uh you know gene just

2310
01:26:55,270 --> 01:26:51,040
corrected me blowfish is from

2311
01:26:58,070 --> 01:26:55,280
whittingham australia my apologies

2312
01:26:59,910 --> 01:26:58,080
i should have known that oh ouch

2313
01:27:01,430 --> 01:26:59,920
um okay we're giving him a smack in the

2314
01:27:04,310 --> 01:27:01,440
head that's what we're doing there i

2315
01:27:06,950 --> 01:27:04,320
reached my hand through my imac and

2316
01:27:08,629 --> 01:27:06,960
connect with chris's imac and hits him

2317
01:27:09,910 --> 01:27:08,639
in the head oh

2318
01:27:14,229 --> 01:27:09,920
damn

2319
01:27:16,790 --> 01:27:15,830
yeah there you go

2320
01:27:20,070 --> 01:27:16,800
um

2321
01:27:22,709 --> 01:27:20,080
nick did uh mr alfred k bender have any

2322
01:27:24,709 --> 01:27:22,719
interest in in poltergeist activity

2323
01:27:28,070 --> 01:27:24,719
and then the follow-up to that is did he

2324
01:27:29,910 --> 01:27:28,080
ever work for the u.s defense force

2325
01:27:31,110 --> 01:27:29,920
um well he was certainly in the military

2326
01:27:32,550 --> 01:27:31,120
in the second world war but i mean

2327
01:27:34,870 --> 01:27:32,560
there's nothing strange about that

2328
01:27:36,550 --> 01:27:34,880
because he was born in

2329
01:27:38,629 --> 01:27:36,560
1921

2330
01:27:39,350 --> 01:27:38,639
so you know when america drawn the war

2331
01:27:43,110 --> 01:27:39,360
in

2332
01:27:44,709 --> 01:27:43,120
uh 41 he would have been 19 or 20 so you

2333
01:27:46,229 --> 01:27:44,719
know it's natural that he would have a

2334
01:27:49,510 --> 01:27:46,239
background you know we're fighting

2335
01:27:52,310 --> 01:27:49,520
against hitler uh but not beyond that no

2336
01:27:54,390 --> 01:27:52,320
um he was in the eastern eastern theater

2337
01:27:56,390 --> 01:27:54,400
or uh in in europe

2338
01:27:58,390 --> 01:27:56,400
i'm honestly not sure where he was but i

2339
01:28:00,070 --> 01:27:58,400
mean he did uh you know his country

2340
01:28:01,430 --> 01:28:00,080
during the second world war i mean

2341
01:28:03,350 --> 01:28:01,440
that's a fact you can actually find

2342
01:28:04,149 --> 01:28:03,360
pictures of him online in his uniform as

2343
01:28:05,189 --> 01:28:04,159
well

2344
01:28:06,149 --> 01:28:05,199
um

2345
01:28:08,470 --> 01:28:06,159
and

2346
01:28:11,189 --> 01:28:08,480
if you you know if you look at his story

2347
01:28:12,310 --> 01:28:11,199
i mean he was heavily involved in

2348
01:28:14,550 --> 01:28:12,320
um

2349
01:28:16,470 --> 01:28:14,560
paranormal activity i mean for example

2350
01:28:18,709 --> 01:28:16,480
the the book i've got coming out women

2351
01:28:21,110 --> 01:28:18,719
in black that actually opens with a

2352
01:28:23,510 --> 01:28:21,120
story from bender how he talked about

2353
01:28:26,229 --> 01:28:23,520
how back in the 1930s when he was a

2354
01:28:28,310 --> 01:28:26,239
little kid the family would talk about

2355
01:28:30,550 --> 01:28:28,320
the woman in black that would visit

2356
01:28:33,030 --> 01:28:30,560
family members which is kind of ironic

2357
01:28:34,870 --> 01:28:33,040
that he's famous for the men in black

2358
01:28:36,870 --> 01:28:34,880
but um if you've seen the men in black

2359
01:28:38,790 --> 01:28:36,880
asking the woman in black movie she was

2360
01:28:40,950 --> 01:28:38,800
kind of like that like this gliding

2361
01:28:42,390 --> 01:28:40,960
spectral figure that would you know

2362
01:28:44,950 --> 01:28:42,400
hover over the bed in the middle of the

2363
01:28:46,870 --> 01:28:44,960
night um so he was into that he was

2364
01:28:50,390 --> 01:28:46,880
heavily into alchemy he was very

2365
01:28:52,709 --> 01:28:50,400
interested in alchemy you know the um

2366
01:28:55,189 --> 01:28:52,719
the whole issue of sort of transmuting

2367
01:28:57,590 --> 01:28:55,199
of metals into you know base metals into

2368
01:29:00,229 --> 01:28:57,600
precious metals that kind of thing

2369
01:29:03,189 --> 01:29:00,239
um he was also i forget what it's called

2370
01:29:05,430 --> 01:29:03,199
greg might know the name but it's where

2371
01:29:07,189 --> 01:29:05,440
people sort of hang like a key or

2372
01:29:08,629 --> 01:29:07,199
something over a bible and look for

2373
01:29:10,390 --> 01:29:08,639
certain phrases do you know what i'm

2374
01:29:11,830 --> 01:29:10,400
talking about

2375
01:29:14,310 --> 01:29:11,840
uh

2376
01:29:15,990 --> 01:29:14,320
i know about it bible man yeah no idea

2377
01:29:18,229 --> 01:29:16,000
that yeah

2378
01:29:20,470 --> 01:29:18,239
okay well bender used to do that it was

2379
01:29:23,350 --> 01:29:20,480
to sort of get you know almost like

2380
01:29:25,590 --> 01:29:23,360
divining almost yeah it's a divination

2381
01:29:26,310 --> 01:29:25,600
tool like pendulum

2382
01:29:29,270 --> 01:29:26,320
yeah

2383
01:29:31,510 --> 01:29:29,280
and as i said he was heavily involved in

2384
01:29:33,270 --> 01:29:31,520
the ufo subject but also like i said

2385
01:29:35,430 --> 01:29:33,280
paranormal stuff he had this

2386
01:29:37,510 --> 01:29:35,440
supernatural altar as he called it in

2387
01:29:38,950 --> 01:29:37,520
his attic you know of all places to

2388
01:29:39,830 --> 01:29:38,960
sleep in the attic

2389
01:29:41,669 --> 01:29:39,840
um

2390
01:29:43,270 --> 01:29:41,679
and i said he changed it into this

2391
01:29:46,070 --> 01:29:43,280
chamber of horrors

2392
01:29:49,669 --> 01:29:46,080
um and he was well versed in just about

2393
01:29:51,270 --> 01:29:49,679
every aspect of the paranormal you know

2394
01:29:53,270 --> 01:29:51,280
like i said he wasn't a dabbler he

2395
01:29:55,350 --> 01:29:53,280
wasn't like you know somebody today who

2396
01:29:56,790 --> 01:29:55,360
thinks they know all about the occult

2397
01:30:00,070 --> 01:29:56,800
because they're wearing a marrow manta

2398
01:30:00,950 --> 01:30:00,080
manson t-shirt and you know etc

2399
01:30:03,510 --> 01:30:00,960
no

2400
01:30:06,709 --> 01:30:03,520
it wasn't like that bender was actually

2401
01:30:09,110 --> 01:30:06,719
very clued up on all this and um

2402
01:30:11,590 --> 01:30:09,120
maybe that's why he had the experiences

2403
01:30:12,550 --> 01:30:11,600
because he wasn't a dabbler he knew how

2404
01:30:14,310 --> 01:30:12,560
to

2405
01:30:15,830 --> 01:30:14,320
you know

2406
01:30:17,830 --> 01:30:15,840
you're you're kind of hinting around at

2407
01:30:20,550 --> 01:30:17,840
some ritual magic knowledge

2408
01:30:23,189 --> 01:30:20,560
let's ask about the ritual magic

2409
01:30:25,910 --> 01:30:23,199
knowledge real or imagined

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01:30:28,550 --> 01:30:25,920
we have greg bishop nick redfearn gene

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01:30:30,800 --> 01:30:28,560
steinberg chris o'brien you're in el

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01:30:38,870 --> 01:30:30,810
pastor

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[Music]

2519
01:34:57,669 --> 01:34:55,679
this is jerome clark author of the ufo

2520
01:34:59,660 --> 01:34:57,679
encyclopedia other books you're

2521
01:35:13,270 --> 01:34:59,670
listening to the peercast

2522
01:35:16,550 --> 01:35:15,030
so we're in the store of the power cast

2523
01:35:18,070 --> 01:35:16,560
or something like that i haven't figured

2524
01:35:19,270 --> 01:35:18,080
this out yet no that was definitely

2525
01:35:20,470 --> 01:35:19,280
spanish

2526
01:35:22,870 --> 01:35:20,480
okay

2527
01:35:24,709 --> 01:35:22,880
definitely i have to ask my son grayson

2528
01:35:33,030 --> 01:35:24,719
because i don't know much of spanish he

2529
01:35:37,910 --> 01:35:35,590
we need to call on red pill junkie he

2530
01:35:39,910 --> 01:35:37,920
would show us the way yeah

2531
01:35:42,790 --> 01:35:39,920
greg's illustrator for his new book it

2532
01:35:44,629 --> 01:35:42,800
defies language which is one of the best

2533
01:35:46,629 --> 01:35:44,639
books to come out in recent memory on

2534
01:35:47,510 --> 01:35:46,639
this whole convoluted subject i'm sure

2535
01:35:49,030 --> 01:35:47,520
nick's

2536
01:35:51,110 --> 01:35:49,040
uh forthcoming books are going to be

2537
01:35:53,830 --> 01:35:51,120
right there among them but uh i'll tell

2538
01:35:55,590 --> 01:35:53,840
you he's quite the artist

2539
01:35:56,870 --> 01:35:55,600
well you should get yourself we should

2540
01:35:59,110 --> 01:35:56,880
we should get into a discussion of

2541
01:36:00,870 --> 01:35:59,120
greg's book it's a good one

2542
01:36:02,149 --> 01:36:00,880
yeah uh i was already on the show

2543
01:36:04,629 --> 01:36:02,159
talking about the book but if chris

2544
01:36:06,709 --> 01:36:04,639
wants to mention something that's fine

2545
01:36:08,070 --> 01:36:06,719
well i'm just i'm having so much fun

2546
01:36:11,189 --> 01:36:08,080
going through it greg i mean there's

2547
01:36:13,750 --> 01:36:11,199
some real pearls pearls and

2548
01:36:15,990 --> 01:36:13,760
pearls of wisdom and just

2549
01:36:17,350 --> 01:36:16,000
gems of insight i don't know how else to

2550
01:36:19,350 --> 01:36:17,360
put it it's

2551
01:36:21,910 --> 01:36:19,360
it's definitely not your normal normal

2552
01:36:26,070 --> 01:36:24,550
which is really cool in my book

2553
01:36:28,470 --> 01:36:26,080
well i'm glad you're enjoying it i mean

2554
01:36:30,870 --> 01:36:28,480
i i just indeed

2555
01:36:33,110 --> 01:36:30,880
i just put out a um or

2556
01:36:34,709 --> 01:36:33,120
turned in a kindle edition with about 70

2557
01:36:36,470 --> 01:36:34,719
more pages of stuff

2558
01:36:37,910 --> 01:36:36,480
so that really that'll be really yeah

2559
01:36:40,229 --> 01:36:37,920
that'll be released in about two weeks

2560
01:36:43,270 --> 01:36:40,239
i've got an extra retinal junkie uh

2561
01:36:44,550 --> 01:36:43,280
illustration featuring paul kimball

2562
01:36:46,310 --> 01:36:44,560
and um

2563
01:36:47,990 --> 01:36:46,320
a lot of the illustrations that i had in

2564
01:36:49,270 --> 01:36:48,000
there actually found color versions of

2565
01:36:51,350 --> 01:36:49,280
them because in kindle you could put in

2566
01:36:53,669 --> 01:36:51,360
color illustrations so i got a color

2567
01:36:55,669 --> 01:36:53,679
picture of jamie chanderie and and some

2568
01:36:59,109 --> 01:36:55,679
other things but yeah there's that

2569
01:37:01,590 --> 01:36:59,119
there's definitely a it's an 88 000 uh

2570
01:37:03,990 --> 01:37:01,600
word book now where it used to be like a

2571
01:37:06,709 --> 01:37:04,000
72 000 word book so i added quite a lot

2572
01:37:09,189 --> 01:37:06,719
of stuff are you going to restore that

2573
01:37:10,709 --> 01:37:09,199
to the print edition

2574
01:37:13,270 --> 01:37:10,719
uh no because it would make the book

2575
01:37:15,590 --> 01:37:13,280
like 330 pages and i don't want anybody

2576
01:37:17,590 --> 01:37:15,600
to have to go through a 330 page book

2577
01:37:19,270 --> 01:37:17,600
whereas kindle in a

2578
01:37:20,550 --> 01:37:19,280
digital format it's not that big of a

2579
01:37:21,830 --> 01:37:20,560
deal and you can go through it at your

2580
01:37:24,629 --> 01:37:21,840
leisure except you don't have to carry

2581
01:37:27,270 --> 01:37:24,639
around this horse chokingly big book

2582
01:37:28,950 --> 01:37:27,280
um also i like

2583
01:37:30,310 --> 01:37:28,960
i think i mentioned this before i wanted

2584
01:37:31,910 --> 01:37:30,320
to make people interested to buy the

2585
01:37:34,070 --> 01:37:31,920
kindle too because there's extra stuff

2586
01:37:35,669 --> 01:37:34,080
in it it's like half the price so

2587
01:37:36,870 --> 01:37:35,679
whatever i mean a good marketing

2588
01:37:38,950 --> 01:37:36,880
strategy

2589
01:37:40,310 --> 01:37:38,960
yeah i'm just marketing i mean as

2590
01:37:42,790 --> 01:37:40,320
as mercenary

2591
01:37:43,990 --> 01:37:42,800
get

2592
01:37:45,910 --> 01:37:44,000
i hope

2593
01:37:46,629 --> 01:37:45,920
yeah mercenary and greg bishop are not

2594
01:37:49,189 --> 01:37:46,639
two

2595
01:37:51,830 --> 01:37:49,199
you know terms that you hear uh

2596
01:37:53,830 --> 01:37:51,840
together in the same sentence ever

2597
01:37:55,189 --> 01:37:53,840
so yeah well

2598
01:37:56,870 --> 01:37:55,199
or for that matter nick because

2599
01:38:00,070 --> 01:37:56,880
everything nick comes out with is like

2600
01:38:02,390 --> 01:38:00,080
you know is right on and and needs needs

2601
01:38:04,070 --> 01:38:02,400
to be there and i mean nick god bless

2602
01:38:06,229 --> 01:38:04,080
you man keep keep it up i don't know how

2603
01:38:08,790 --> 01:38:06,239
you do it but but you know how many

2604
01:38:10,310 --> 01:38:08,800
books you can have out in the last year

2605
01:38:12,070 --> 01:38:10,320
he's the hardest working man and you

2606
01:38:13,830 --> 01:38:12,080
followed you

2607
01:38:15,430 --> 01:38:13,840
well you know i mean i do it because i

2608
01:38:17,350 --> 01:38:15,440
enjoy it you know the passion wasn't

2609
01:38:19,270 --> 01:38:17,360
there for it i couldn't just do it sort

2610
01:38:20,390 --> 01:38:19,280
of cynically you know what i mean so i

2611
01:38:24,229 --> 01:38:20,400
feel

2612
01:38:26,709 --> 01:38:24,239
but as greg knows you know a lot of

2613
01:38:29,590 --> 01:38:26,719
people know i like to keep it structured

2614
01:38:31,510 --> 01:38:29,600
and i think if i did it sort of 24 7 i'd

2615
01:38:32,950 --> 01:38:31,520
be burned out and i would be done with

2616
01:38:34,870 --> 01:38:32,960
it you know i like to sort of do eight

2617
01:38:37,030 --> 01:38:34,880
to five monday to friday

2618
01:38:38,790 --> 01:38:37,040
i have evenings off hit the town and the

2619
01:38:40,550 --> 01:38:38,800
same on weekends you know and i have a

2620
01:38:42,229 --> 01:38:40,560
total normal life

2621
01:38:44,790 --> 01:38:42,239
away from it all uh yeah and

2622
01:38:46,550 --> 01:38:44,800
occasionally go out for a bender

2623
01:38:47,990 --> 01:38:46,560
yeah exactly

2624
01:38:51,830 --> 01:38:48,000
and then um

2625
01:38:53,350 --> 01:38:51,840
then monday morning i like to sort of

2626
01:38:55,030 --> 01:38:53,360
get back to it

2627
01:38:57,109 --> 01:38:55,040
eight to five and i just

2628
01:38:58,550 --> 01:38:57,119
you know i try and

2629
01:39:00,870 --> 01:38:58,560
you know present things that i think

2630
01:39:02,470 --> 01:39:00,880
will hopefully people will will enjoy

2631
01:39:04,390 --> 01:39:02,480
but also

2632
01:39:06,390 --> 01:39:04,400
be sort of you know sort of provoke

2633
01:39:08,629 --> 01:39:06,400
thoughts and ideas as to what's going on

2634
01:39:10,550 --> 01:39:08,639
and that's why you know i don't sort of

2635
01:39:12,629 --> 01:39:10,560
i mean i could just spend endless time

2636
01:39:15,510 --> 01:39:12,639
you know doing a book on roswell or an a

2637
01:39:17,109 --> 01:39:15,520
to z of ufo crashes or something but

2638
01:39:19,270 --> 01:39:17,119
there really wouldn't be anything new to

2639
01:39:21,270 --> 01:39:19,280
it so i like to sort of like with the

2640
01:39:22,709 --> 01:39:21,280
women in black book or whatever you know

2641
01:39:24,550 --> 01:39:22,719
come up with something

2642
01:39:25,669 --> 01:39:24,560
come something new that's gonna

2643
01:39:27,350 --> 01:39:25,679
hopefully

2644
01:39:28,950 --> 01:39:27,360
well you know present people with

2645
01:39:31,109 --> 01:39:28,960
something they haven't seen before and

2646
01:39:33,270 --> 01:39:31,119
um and a lot of the stuff i'm interested

2647
01:39:36,390 --> 01:39:33,280
in sort of more alternative

2648
01:39:38,070 --> 01:39:36,400
aspects of ufology and cryptozoology in

2649
01:39:39,590 --> 01:39:38,080
the sense that um

2650
01:39:41,590 --> 01:39:39,600
you know that's why i don't get booked

2651
01:39:43,270 --> 01:39:41,600
for a lot of the mainstream ufo

2652
01:39:45,430 --> 01:39:43,280
conferences because the last thing they

2653
01:39:47,990 --> 01:39:45,440
want to hear is me talking about tulpas

2654
01:39:50,229 --> 01:39:48,000
and ufos which is unfortunate you know

2655
01:39:52,870 --> 01:39:50,239
what they want instead is crashed metal

2656
01:39:54,550 --> 01:39:52,880
ships and area 51 and reverse

2657
01:39:57,830 --> 01:39:54,560
engineering but you know they're going

2658
01:39:59,189 --> 01:39:57,840
to get from me tolpers and you know sort

2659
01:40:01,430 --> 01:39:59,199
of summoning up

2660
01:40:03,830 --> 01:40:01,440
men in black and all that business

2661
01:40:05,910 --> 01:40:03,840
which they don't want you know the uh at

2662
01:40:07,669 --> 01:40:05,920
certain conferences but that's all right

2663
01:40:09,189 --> 01:40:07,679
i've been

2664
01:40:11,910 --> 01:40:09,199
the alternative one in the crowd that's

2665
01:40:13,590 --> 01:40:11,920
fine i know the feeling believe me and i

2666
01:40:14,310 --> 01:40:13,600
know greg does too

2667
01:40:15,990 --> 01:40:14,320
now

2668
01:40:18,550 --> 01:40:16,000
nick i wanted to ask you here briefly

2669
01:40:19,990 --> 01:40:18,560
about the women in black

2670
01:40:22,149 --> 01:40:20,000
because we hear so much about the man

2671
01:40:23,350 --> 01:40:22,159
black and you've done a book that we'll

2672
01:40:24,709 --> 01:40:23,360
see

2673
01:40:26,629 --> 01:40:24,719
soon

2674
01:40:29,189 --> 01:40:26,639
i only want to go into that all right

2675
01:40:30,950 --> 01:40:29,199
can you give us a briefing about women

2676
01:40:32,310 --> 01:40:30,960
in black

2677
01:40:34,149 --> 01:40:32,320
oh well i can actually tell you a lot

2678
01:40:36,709 --> 01:40:34,159
about women in black but you talk about

2679
01:40:38,950 --> 01:40:36,719
the ones in the book

2680
01:40:41,990 --> 01:40:38,960
obviously we want to sell the book but

2681
01:40:43,189 --> 01:40:42,000
give people a preview make them curious

2682
01:40:44,629 --> 01:40:43,199
okay

2683
01:40:46,229 --> 01:40:44,639
build a buzz

2684
01:40:47,830 --> 01:40:46,239
the women in black are going to town

2685
01:40:49,590 --> 01:40:47,840
with on a saturday night you know but

2686
01:40:50,709 --> 01:40:49,600
they're totally different they're goths

2687
01:40:53,830 --> 01:40:50,719
they're not

2688
01:40:56,709 --> 01:40:53,840
women in black but uh well they are but

2689
01:40:59,189 --> 01:40:56,719
you know what i mean i'm rambling

2690
01:41:01,669 --> 01:40:59,199
uh anyway the books call women in black

2691
01:41:04,709 --> 01:41:01,679
and it'll be out very soon and

2692
01:41:06,310 --> 01:41:04,719
basically it's a study of the

2693
01:41:07,590 --> 01:41:06,320
the female equivalent of the men in

2694
01:41:10,070 --> 01:41:07,600
black and

2695
01:41:12,390 --> 01:41:10,080
they're actually very similar almost you

2696
01:41:15,270 --> 01:41:12,400
know identically in terms of their

2697
01:41:17,750 --> 01:41:15,280
sort of operations they turn up uh when

2698
01:41:19,669 --> 01:41:17,760
people had ufo encounters they

2699
01:41:22,070 --> 01:41:19,679
threatened them they sometimes try and

2700
01:41:23,189 --> 01:41:22,080
find a way into the people's homes by

2701
01:41:24,790 --> 01:41:23,199
using

2702
01:41:26,870 --> 01:41:24,800
um claims you know they're they're

2703
01:41:28,790 --> 01:41:26,880
census takers and things like that

2704
01:41:31,030 --> 01:41:28,800
there's a spate of encounters in england

2705
01:41:33,350 --> 01:41:31,040
in the 80s and 90s where they claim to

2706
01:41:34,870 --> 01:41:33,360
be social workers where

2707
01:41:36,950 --> 01:41:34,880
they said you know that the neighbors

2708
01:41:38,629 --> 01:41:36,960
had reported you know abuse of the

2709
01:41:40,790 --> 01:41:38,639
children and things like that you know

2710
01:41:42,149 --> 01:41:40,800
sort of you know the parents beating

2711
01:41:44,629 --> 01:41:42,159
them up or whatever

2712
01:41:46,709 --> 01:41:44,639
and um and they were described as sort

2713
01:41:49,109 --> 01:41:46,719
of like pale and these sometimes wearing

2714
01:41:51,990 --> 01:41:49,119
long black wigs and um and there's a lot

2715
01:41:53,990 --> 01:41:52,000
of creepy stories in that book just like

2716
01:41:54,709 --> 01:41:54,000
albert bender's men in black may turn up

2717
01:41:58,430 --> 01:41:54,719
in

2718
01:42:02,790 --> 01:41:58,440
to

2719
01:42:05,030 --> 01:42:02,800
again there's you know there's not a

2720
01:42:07,669 --> 01:42:05,040
single case in the book at all where

2721
01:42:10,229 --> 01:42:07,679
they sound like you know sort of agent

2722
01:42:12,870 --> 01:42:10,239
scully you know from the x-files there's

2723
01:42:14,229 --> 01:42:12,880
not one that's like that all of them are

2724
01:42:17,350 --> 01:42:14,239
sort of tied in with paranormal

2725
01:42:19,590 --> 01:42:17,360
phenomena but there's a weird aspect

2726
01:42:21,830 --> 01:42:19,600
to every one of them so you know we're

2727
01:42:23,669 --> 01:42:21,840
talking about um

2728
01:42:25,750 --> 01:42:23,679
people who've had abduction cases

2729
01:42:26,709 --> 01:42:25,760
contact tea cases

2730
01:42:30,229 --> 01:42:26,719
um

2731
01:42:32,070 --> 01:42:30,239
had had sort of encounters you've just

2732
01:42:34,629 --> 01:42:32,080
seen a ufo in the sky and they were

2733
01:42:36,229 --> 01:42:34,639
visited um some of the cases were

2734
01:42:38,310 --> 01:42:36,239
significant others you just wouldn't

2735
01:42:40,870 --> 01:42:38,320
give a second thought to but though even

2736
01:42:42,870 --> 01:42:40,880
those witnesses got visits and um and

2737
01:42:45,030 --> 01:42:42,880
like the men in black they typically

2738
01:42:46,070 --> 01:42:45,040
wait to be invited before they come in

2739
01:42:49,430 --> 01:42:46,080
the house

2740
01:42:50,790 --> 01:42:49,440
um it sounds like a vampire

2741
01:42:52,870 --> 01:42:50,800
that's actually what they a lot of these

2742
01:42:55,750 --> 01:42:52,880
stories do they sound like upgraded

2743
01:42:57,669 --> 01:42:55,760
versions of old vampire tales and um but

2744
01:42:59,430 --> 01:42:57,679
there's you know there's not a single

2745
01:43:01,109 --> 01:42:59,440
case like i said in the book which isn't

2746
01:43:03,590 --> 01:43:01,119
sort of steeped in

2747
01:43:05,350 --> 01:43:03,600
weirdness um and again hopefully you

2748
01:43:07,750 --> 01:43:05,360
know it'll open people's eyes to the

2749
01:43:10,149 --> 01:43:07,760
idea that wow this is another component

2750
01:43:12,790 --> 01:43:10,159
to the ufo mystery that not completely

2751
01:43:15,109 --> 01:43:12,800
but largely or to a significant degree

2752
01:43:17,750 --> 01:43:15,119
has been overlooked you know john keel

2753
01:43:19,990 --> 01:43:17,760
talked about a few sort of mystery

2754
01:43:21,830 --> 01:43:20,000
women in black in uh in a couple of his

2755
01:43:24,149 --> 01:43:21,840
books but it's never sort of really been

2756
01:43:26,629 --> 01:43:24,159
expanded on because i think a lot of the

2757
01:43:29,270 --> 01:43:26,639
times people just don't make the

2758
01:43:31,910 --> 01:43:29,280
connection you know

2759
01:43:34,790 --> 01:43:31,920
well you know a quick question

2760
01:43:37,430 --> 01:43:34,800
are these primarily cases from uh from

2761
01:43:39,669 --> 01:43:37,440
the united kingdom and from america

2762
01:43:41,590 --> 01:43:39,679
or do we have some from elsewhere from

2763
01:43:43,109 --> 01:43:41,600
south america from

2764
01:43:46,550 --> 01:43:43,119
possibly somewhere else in western

2765
01:43:49,109 --> 01:43:46,560
europe asia um where where do most of

2766
01:43:51,510 --> 01:43:49,119
these reports originate

2767
01:43:55,109 --> 01:43:51,520
well most of the ones i've got are from

2768
01:43:57,030 --> 01:43:55,119
the united states and the uk but they're

2769
01:43:59,510 --> 01:43:57,040
in saying that you know most of the

2770
01:44:01,590 --> 01:43:59,520
reports i get of cryptids and anything

2771
01:44:02,550 --> 01:44:01,600
else are usually from the us and the uk

2772
01:44:03,750 --> 01:44:02,560
because

2773
01:44:05,750 --> 01:44:03,760
you know they're english language

2774
01:44:08,390 --> 01:44:05,760
speaking and they're sort of plugged

2775
01:44:10,470 --> 01:44:08,400
into the ufo subject quite extensively

2776
01:44:12,470 --> 01:44:10,480
so i don't think it's not because there

2777
01:44:13,990 --> 01:44:12,480
is a shortage of reports but i'm

2778
01:44:16,310 --> 01:44:14,000
guessing you know for the most part

2779
01:44:18,390 --> 01:44:16,320
maybe somebody in france reports their

2780
01:44:19,669 --> 01:44:18,400
site in to a french research you know

2781
01:44:22,070 --> 01:44:19,679
what i mean i think i think there's

2782
01:44:24,070 --> 01:44:22,080
actually sort of a down-to-earth reason

2783
01:44:25,590 --> 01:44:24,080
for that but i have got a few foreign

2784
01:44:28,550 --> 01:44:25,600
cases in the book there's one from

2785
01:44:30,390 --> 01:44:28,560
mexico one from vietnam

2786
01:44:32,470 --> 01:44:30,400
and there's one from puerto rico that i

2787
01:44:36,870 --> 01:44:32,480
investigated actually personally when i

2788
01:44:38,709 --> 01:44:36,880
was out there in 2005 with paul kimball

2789
01:44:41,510 --> 01:44:38,719
well we we have a question here from

2790
01:44:43,590 --> 01:44:41,520
valerie who's a fairly new sign up at

2791
01:44:46,149 --> 01:44:43,600
form.paracast.com

2792
01:44:48,390 --> 01:44:46,159
where you can uh post questions for our

2793
01:44:49,990 --> 01:44:48,400
guests and she's wondering uh about

2794
01:44:51,590 --> 01:44:50,000
audiobooks she

2795
01:44:53,030 --> 01:44:51,600
she just um

2796
01:44:55,270 --> 01:44:53,040
let's see i think it was blood of the

2797
01:44:56,390 --> 01:44:55,280
gods or one one of your your new newer

2798
01:44:58,870 --> 01:44:56,400
books she

2799
01:45:00,149 --> 01:44:58,880
uh listened to in audio format and just

2800
01:45:02,229 --> 01:45:00,159
absolutely loved it and she's wondering

2801
01:45:04,470 --> 01:45:02,239
if you're planning on on going back to

2802
01:45:06,390 --> 01:45:04,480
your catalog or releasing uh other

2803
01:45:08,310 --> 01:45:06,400
versions of your work in in an audio

2804
01:45:10,070 --> 01:45:08,320
format

2805
01:45:12,070 --> 01:45:10,080
let's have that answer

2806
01:45:14,870 --> 01:45:12,080
in our next segment with nick redfern

2807
01:45:17,510 --> 01:45:14,880
greg bishop gene and chris whoever wants

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had two large mercury fillings put into

2843
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my teeth i got very sick that day and

2844
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2845
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2846
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2847
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2848
01:46:57,669 --> 01:46:54,960
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2849
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fillings with white composite in 1997 i

2850
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learned that the homeopathic mercury

2851
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detox i did years earlier did not remove

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2868
01:47:53,030 --> 01:47:49,350
welcome back to the paracast the gold

2869
01:47:54,310 --> 01:47:53,040
standard of paranormal radio

2870
01:48:01,350 --> 01:47:54,320
and now

2871
01:48:04,709 --> 01:48:03,590
we've got greg bishop nick redfern gene

2872
01:48:07,270 --> 01:48:04,719
and chris

2873
01:48:09,510 --> 01:48:07,280
started with albert k bender moved on to

2874
01:48:10,709 --> 01:48:09,520
the three men in black and the women in

2875
01:48:13,030 --> 01:48:10,719
black

2876
01:48:15,350 --> 01:48:13,040
nick was asked a question about

2877
01:48:16,629 --> 01:48:15,360
recording audiobooks

2878
01:48:18,149 --> 01:48:16,639
well that was good to know that the

2879
01:48:21,750 --> 01:48:18,159
valley enjoyed it because i like to get

2880
01:48:23,830 --> 01:48:21,760
feedback on on the audio books um

2881
01:48:26,229 --> 01:48:23,840
basically sort of a tricky situation

2882
01:48:26,950 --> 01:48:26,239
because a couple of my earlier books

2883
01:48:29,590 --> 01:48:26,960
were

2884
01:48:31,990 --> 01:48:29,600
um available on or still are one of them

2885
01:48:34,709 --> 01:48:32,000
being pyramids in the pentagon and just

2886
01:48:36,550 --> 01:48:34,719
recently bloodline of the gods and the

2887
01:48:38,470 --> 01:48:36,560
one that i've got coming out imminently

2888
01:48:41,990 --> 01:48:38,480
weapons of the gods that'll actually

2889
01:48:44,870 --> 01:48:42,000
also be out in audio format in about a a

2890
01:48:47,510 --> 01:48:44,880
month's time and both of those bloodline

2891
01:48:50,629 --> 01:48:47,520
and weapons of the gods you can buy them

2892
01:48:53,109 --> 01:48:50,639
on in audible form off amazon or you can

2893
01:48:55,189 --> 01:48:53,119
buy them as a boxed set of cds as well

2894
01:48:56,790 --> 01:48:55,199
now when valerie asks the question about

2895
01:48:59,590 --> 01:48:56,800
you know will be going through my back

2896
01:49:00,870 --> 01:48:59,600
catalogue i probably won't the reason

2897
01:49:03,750 --> 01:49:00,880
being that

2898
01:49:06,070 --> 01:49:03,760
the spin-offs the the audio spin-offs

2899
01:49:07,510 --> 01:49:06,080
actually aren't done by me they're

2900
01:49:09,590 --> 01:49:07,520
that's actually done between the

2901
01:49:12,149 --> 01:49:09,600
publisher and

2902
01:49:14,550 --> 01:49:12,159
companies that they contract to do the

2903
01:49:16,950 --> 01:49:14,560
audio recording for them so in other

2904
01:49:18,870 --> 01:49:16,960
words it's out of my hands as to you

2905
01:49:20,629 --> 01:49:18,880
know that they have the in terms of the

2906
01:49:21,750 --> 01:49:20,639
the rights in the contract they have the

2907
01:49:23,669 --> 01:49:21,760
right to

2908
01:49:25,510 --> 01:49:23,679
you know sort of market the books like a

2909
01:49:27,669 --> 01:49:25,520
german publisher or a french publisher

2910
01:49:29,510 --> 01:49:27,679
or to an audio publisher

2911
01:49:31,750 --> 01:49:29,520
now i mean i could arrange for someone

2912
01:49:34,229 --> 01:49:31,760
to do it but i'm guessing it would be

2913
01:49:36,149 --> 01:49:34,239
quite a lot of money really to sort of

2914
01:49:39,030 --> 01:49:36,159
hire someone to read every one of my

2915
01:49:40,870 --> 01:49:39,040
books and then you know have to

2916
01:49:43,030 --> 01:49:40,880
it would be cool if you did it if you

2917
01:49:45,270 --> 01:49:43,040
recorded it i definitely you see

2918
01:49:46,950 --> 01:49:45,280
otherwise i'd volunteer but i think it

2919
01:49:49,910 --> 01:49:46,960
would be special

2920
01:49:52,550 --> 01:49:49,920
extra special to have nick redfearn do

2921
01:49:55,510 --> 01:49:52,560
his own books that's what should happen

2922
01:49:57,189 --> 01:49:55,520
yeah well i i don't think nick's going

2923
01:49:58,629 --> 01:49:57,199
to be able to do it in mandarin though

2924
01:49:59,350 --> 01:49:58,639
that's the problem

2925
01:50:02,550 --> 01:49:59,360
no

2926
01:50:04,550 --> 01:50:02,560
if the publishers keep want to keep

2927
01:50:06,149 --> 01:50:04,560
putting them out i'm happy with that you

2928
01:50:07,750 --> 01:50:06,159
know i think because if i think it's a

2929
01:50:09,830 --> 01:50:07,760
cool format you know people like to

2930
01:50:11,830 --> 01:50:09,840
listen to audio books i don't think i'd

2931
01:50:12,950 --> 01:50:11,840
really want to have to do it myself i

2932
01:50:14,629 --> 01:50:12,960
just don't have

2933
01:50:16,550 --> 01:50:14,639
the patience for things like that i'm so

2934
01:50:18,629 --> 01:50:16,560
the wrong person to ask really would

2935
01:50:20,229 --> 01:50:18,639
drive me insane having to read you know

2936
01:50:22,310 --> 01:50:20,239
my own books for

2937
01:50:24,470 --> 01:50:22,320
30 something books across

2938
01:50:25,910 --> 01:50:24,480
a couple of months i'll be like i'll be

2939
01:50:27,109 --> 01:50:25,920
blowing my brains out at the end of it

2940
01:50:31,430 --> 01:50:27,119
you know

2941
01:50:36,070 --> 01:50:33,510
imagine reading them back to yourself

2942
01:50:38,390 --> 01:50:36,080
yeah in front of a microphone

2943
01:50:41,270 --> 01:50:38,400
i tell you what i actually did a few

2944
01:50:43,590 --> 01:50:41,280
audio books for the educational market

2945
01:50:44,709 --> 01:50:43,600
back in the mid 70s somebody was

2946
01:50:47,350 --> 01:50:44,719
publishing

2947
01:50:49,590 --> 01:50:47,360
this set of books and i was doing the

2948
01:50:51,270 --> 01:50:49,600
pre-press work on it and then he said

2949
01:50:52,470 --> 01:50:51,280
well you're a radio broadcaster why

2950
01:50:54,390 --> 01:50:52,480
don't you

2951
01:50:57,109 --> 01:50:54,400
do the audiobooks and i looked at him

2952
01:50:59,270 --> 01:50:57,119
and this is dull stuff it's not like

2953
01:51:02,550 --> 01:50:59,280
you know one of these page turners like

2954
01:51:05,189 --> 01:51:02,560
gregor nick would write this was dull

2955
01:51:07,590 --> 01:51:05,199
and i did it and it was painful

2956
01:51:11,030 --> 01:51:07,600
vowed never to do an audio book again

2957
01:51:12,950 --> 01:51:11,040
well i'll get you to do uh stalking uh

2958
01:51:15,910 --> 01:51:12,960
the herd how's that you can go through

2959
01:51:17,109 --> 01:51:15,920
chapter after chapter of case after case

2960
01:51:20,790 --> 01:51:17,119
after case

2961
01:51:22,709 --> 01:51:20,800
you see i do this ahead of the rest home

2962
01:51:24,470 --> 01:51:22,719
i know that greg wouldn't let me

2963
01:51:25,750 --> 01:51:24,480
read his uh i know he wouldn't if i

2964
01:51:27,270 --> 01:51:25,760
asked him he wouldn't let me read his

2965
01:51:29,669 --> 01:51:27,280
most famous book because i'd keep

2966
01:51:32,550 --> 01:51:29,679
calling project beta

2967
01:51:32,560 --> 01:51:50,480
peter

2968
01:51:55,990 --> 01:51:54,310
[Laughter]

2969
01:51:58,229 --> 01:51:56,000
anytime anybody reads anything in

2970
01:52:00,470 --> 01:51:58,239
english in a british accent no matter

2971
01:52:02,390 --> 01:52:00,480
what area of the country you're from

2972
01:52:04,629 --> 01:52:02,400
americans automatically think it's got

2973
01:52:07,189 --> 01:52:04,639
more weight and the intellectual health

2974
01:52:11,350 --> 01:52:07,199
behind it right

2975
01:52:14,470 --> 01:52:12,950
i know i'm just

2976
01:52:16,390 --> 01:52:14,480
kidding

2977
01:52:18,950 --> 01:52:16,400
it's got a more integrity

2978
01:52:20,470 --> 01:52:18,960
uh behind it

2979
01:52:22,629 --> 01:52:20,480
well would you like another question

2980
01:52:26,629 --> 01:52:22,639
from uh one of our posters here at

2981
01:52:29,669 --> 01:52:28,229
okay this one comes from william

2982
01:52:31,669 --> 01:52:29,679
strathman

2983
01:52:34,070 --> 01:52:31,679
and he's wondering if you are familiar

2984
01:52:35,589 --> 01:52:34,080
with bryce zabel's experience

2985
01:52:37,910 --> 01:52:35,599
which robbie graham mentioned here on

2986
01:52:39,350 --> 01:52:37,920
the paracast and

2987
01:52:41,430 --> 01:52:39,360
uh

2988
01:52:44,629 --> 01:52:41,440
and there are many mib reports of a

2989
01:52:48,070 --> 01:52:44,639
similar nature he's wondering um

2990
01:52:51,510 --> 01:52:48,080
i actually haven't heard of that one now

2991
01:52:56,070 --> 01:52:54,070
why don't you uh let gene fill you in on

2992
01:52:57,910 --> 01:52:56,080
all the details

2993
01:53:01,750 --> 01:52:57,920
you want to talk more chris why don't

2994
01:53:05,030 --> 01:53:03,350
well he uh

2995
01:53:07,750 --> 01:53:05,040
of course uh for

2996
01:53:10,709 --> 01:53:07,760
you know our new listeners bryce abel

2997
01:53:12,629 --> 01:53:10,719
uh co-produced a program uh a tv series

2998
01:53:13,910 --> 01:53:12,639
for nbc back in the 90s called dark

2999
01:53:15,189 --> 01:53:13,920
skies

3000
01:53:18,070 --> 01:53:15,199
and he

3001
01:53:19,270 --> 01:53:18,080
was visited by what appeared to him to

3002
01:53:23,750 --> 01:53:19,280
be

3003
01:53:25,189 --> 01:53:23,760
um civilian attired military type

3004
01:53:27,350 --> 01:53:25,199
operatives

3005
01:53:28,709 --> 01:53:27,360
who

3006
01:53:30,629 --> 01:53:28,719
kind of told him that he was on the

3007
01:53:32,950 --> 01:53:30,639
right track and and

3008
01:53:33,910 --> 01:53:32,960
kind of hinted around that maybe uh

3009
01:53:36,070 --> 01:53:33,920
you know

3010
01:53:39,030 --> 01:53:36,080
he should i forget the details of

3011
01:53:40,790 --> 01:53:39,040
exactly what they said but

3012
01:53:43,030 --> 01:53:40,800
there was no question in bryce's mind at

3013
01:53:44,790 --> 01:53:43,040
least according to my memory of his

3014
01:53:47,910 --> 01:53:44,800
recounting the uh

3015
01:53:49,750 --> 01:53:47,920
uh the visit uh actually and it was uh

3016
01:53:53,109 --> 01:53:49,760
several visits i think they wanted to

3017
01:53:55,669 --> 01:53:53,119
meet him in some weird place and and

3018
01:53:57,910 --> 01:53:55,679
he didn't want to go and and he he he

3019
01:54:00,070 --> 01:53:57,920
actually kind of blew it off and

3020
01:54:02,470 --> 01:54:00,080
and they were actually fairly persistent

3021
01:54:04,310 --> 01:54:02,480
i think they contacted him on

3022
01:54:05,750 --> 01:54:04,320
at least two or three occasions and the

3023
01:54:07,430 --> 01:54:05,760
last occasion he

3024
01:54:09,589 --> 01:54:07,440
he just got too freaked out by the whole

3025
01:54:10,550 --> 01:54:09,599
thing and and just refused to to talk to

3026
01:54:12,310 --> 01:54:10,560
them

3027
01:54:13,830 --> 01:54:12,320
gene do you remember exactly what it was

3028
01:54:14,550 --> 01:54:13,840
that they were they were talking about i

3029
01:54:40,870 --> 01:54:14,560
i

3030
01:54:42,870 --> 01:54:40,880
happens every so often

3031
01:54:44,550 --> 01:54:42,880
you meet somebody who claims to know

3032
01:54:47,270 --> 01:54:44,560
something

3033
01:54:49,109 --> 01:54:47,280
and then for whatever reason

3034
01:54:51,669 --> 01:54:49,119
nothing ever happens nothing comes out

3035
01:54:53,430 --> 01:54:51,679
of it

3036
01:54:54,550 --> 01:54:53,440
that's actually part of the phenomenon

3037
01:54:57,669 --> 01:54:54,560
right there

3038
01:54:59,589 --> 01:54:57,679
where you find yourself

3039
01:55:01,750 --> 01:54:59,599
with the same

3040
01:55:04,070 --> 01:55:01,760
with somebody who claims to have

3041
01:55:06,629 --> 01:55:04,080
knowledge of something and they sought

3042
01:55:08,870 --> 01:55:06,639
you out and they're ready to get your

3043
01:55:11,109 --> 01:55:08,880
set for this and then

3044
01:55:13,589 --> 01:55:11,119
at the critical moment

3045
01:55:15,430 --> 01:55:13,599
their history

3046
01:55:17,589 --> 01:55:15,440
well he blew him off he wouldn't uh he

3047
01:55:18,950 --> 01:55:17,599
wouldn't do the final meeting where they

3048
01:55:21,669 --> 01:55:18,960
were supposed to come up with some sort

3049
01:55:23,669 --> 01:55:21,679
of something for him and and he was just

3050
01:55:26,310 --> 01:55:23,679
too freaked out by it you know people

3051
01:55:28,709 --> 01:55:26,320
have often asked me about my um

3052
01:55:30,629 --> 01:55:28,719
investigative work and whether i've

3053
01:55:32,470 --> 01:55:30,639
you know had any sort of experiences

3054
01:55:34,709 --> 01:55:32,480
with men in black i've mentioned on the

3055
01:55:37,430 --> 01:55:34,719
show a number of times about the four

3056
01:55:38,870 --> 01:55:37,440
black clad individuals that waltzed into

3057
01:55:40,790 --> 01:55:38,880
my house thinking nobody was home and

3058
01:55:42,790 --> 01:55:40,800
went through my files and i was in the

3059
01:55:45,510 --> 01:55:42,800
next room freaking out

3060
01:55:46,709 --> 01:55:45,520
my girlfriend's daughter was upstairs

3061
01:55:49,270 --> 01:55:46,719
you know

3062
01:55:51,510 --> 01:55:49,280
shaking under the covers in her bunk bed

3063
01:55:54,709 --> 01:55:51,520
and uh one of the guys actually came up

3064
01:55:57,109 --> 01:55:54,719
to the upstairs and looked around and

3065
01:55:58,950 --> 01:55:57,119
according to risa he had these

3066
01:56:00,709 --> 01:55:58,960
kind of things on his face almost did

3067
01:56:02,149 --> 01:56:00,719
sound like night vision goggles

3068
01:56:04,550 --> 01:56:02,159
um

3069
01:56:06,550 --> 01:56:04,560
i have never been personally

3070
01:56:08,470 --> 01:56:06,560
you know had somebody knock at the door

3071
01:56:09,589 --> 01:56:08,480
dressed in black but i had a man in

3072
01:56:11,669 --> 01:56:09,599
beige

3073
01:56:14,149 --> 01:56:11,679
that really freaked me out

3074
01:56:16,149 --> 01:56:14,159
i can just see right now the song we are

3075
01:56:18,790 --> 01:56:16,159
the men in beige

3076
01:56:21,109 --> 01:56:18,800
the galaxy protectors doesn't work

3077
01:56:23,350 --> 01:56:21,119
doesn't work he was wearing a safari you

3078
01:56:24,709 --> 01:56:23,360
know you know intelligence operative

3079
01:56:27,189 --> 01:56:24,719
suit and had the brush cut and the

3080
01:56:30,229 --> 01:56:27,199
military you know bearing and the whole

3081
01:56:32,629 --> 01:56:30,239
thing was doing nlp neuro linguistic

3082
01:56:33,750 --> 01:56:32,639
programming power moves on me as we were

3083
01:56:35,910 --> 01:56:33,760
talking

3084
01:56:36,709 --> 01:56:35,920
and the only time that my girlfriend

3085
01:56:38,310 --> 01:56:36,719
ever

3086
01:56:40,149 --> 01:56:38,320
you know had a problem with somebody who

3087
01:56:41,430 --> 01:56:40,159
had come to the house the hundreds and

3088
01:56:43,510 --> 01:56:41,440
hundreds of people that have tramped

3089
01:56:45,589 --> 01:56:43,520
through the house over the years uh

3090
01:56:48,390 --> 01:56:45,599
whether it's you know the

3091
01:56:51,109 --> 01:56:48,400
the media types or you know

3092
01:56:52,870 --> 01:56:51,119
people visiting or you know you know

3093
01:56:53,990 --> 01:56:52,880
whomever there were a lot of people that

3094
01:56:55,910 --> 01:56:54,000
went through and she was very very

3095
01:56:58,070 --> 01:56:55,920
gracious and she was very very

3096
01:56:59,990 --> 01:56:58,080
accommodating and the only time she ever

3097
01:57:02,229 --> 01:57:00,000
had a problem with anybody is is this

3098
01:57:04,149 --> 01:57:02,239
guy this man in beige i even have i

3099
01:57:05,990 --> 01:57:04,159
still have his business card he was a

3100
01:57:07,350 --> 01:57:06,000
director for the institute of social

3101
01:57:08,870 --> 01:57:07,360
architecture

3102
01:57:11,109 --> 01:57:08,880
uh go

3103
01:57:13,350 --> 01:57:11,119
figure that one out um

3104
01:57:15,270 --> 01:57:13,360
and uh he was leaving just as as is the

3105
01:57:17,430 --> 01:57:15,280
door was coming in and she came in her

3106
01:57:19,669 --> 01:57:17,440
eyes eyes were blazing and saying i did

3107
01:57:21,830 --> 01:57:19,679
not get a good feeling who was that i

3108
01:57:23,990 --> 01:57:21,840
don't ever want to see your mirror again

3109
01:57:25,990 --> 01:57:24,000
i hope that didn't end the relationship

3110
01:57:27,910 --> 01:57:26,000
chris but we have to end this segment

3111
01:57:31,270 --> 01:57:27,920
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3221
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3222
02:02:11,189 --> 02:02:09,360
at ourselves because

3223
02:02:12,550 --> 02:02:11,199
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3224
02:02:14,790 --> 02:02:12,560
figures here

3225
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keep yourself dude

3226
02:02:19,189 --> 02:02:16,800
i resemble that remark

3227
02:02:20,870 --> 02:02:19,199
so we all started out with men in black

3228
02:02:23,510 --> 02:02:20,880
and women in black

3229
02:02:25,990 --> 02:02:23,520
and greg bishop and nick redfearn and

3230
02:02:27,830 --> 02:02:26,000
again nick has a book coming out called

3231
02:02:29,350 --> 02:02:27,840
the women in black when's that going to

3232
02:02:32,149 --> 02:02:29,360
be out my friend

3233
02:02:34,870 --> 02:02:32,159
um probably i think well actually the

3234
02:02:36,390 --> 02:02:34,880
kindle's already up but um the paperback

3235
02:02:37,830 --> 02:02:36,400
i think probably

3236
02:02:39,830 --> 02:02:37,840
a couple more weeks yet because i've

3237
02:02:41,990 --> 02:02:39,840
actually coincidentally just today had

3238
02:02:43,830 --> 02:02:42,000
the bound proofs come through just so i

3239
02:02:45,750 --> 02:02:43,840
can have one last look basically you

3240
02:02:48,629 --> 02:02:45,760
know with the proofs it's sort of the

3241
02:02:50,149 --> 02:02:48,639
it's a finished edition you know but um

3242
02:02:52,629 --> 02:02:50,159
i've just got to go through it and check

3243
02:02:54,470 --> 02:02:52,639
it or make sure that the type

3244
02:02:56,790 --> 02:02:54,480
coloring all looks good and the pictures

3245
02:02:59,030 --> 02:02:56,800
are reproduced properly so when i get

3246
02:03:00,470 --> 02:02:59,040
that back to them in the next week or so

3247
02:03:02,709 --> 02:03:00,480
i think it'll be sort of a couple more

3248
02:03:03,910 --> 02:03:02,719
weeks but i get all the distribution and

3249
02:03:05,990 --> 02:03:03,920
everything else

3250
02:03:08,070 --> 02:03:06,000
set up and uh and then it should be good

3251
02:03:10,790 --> 02:03:08,080
to go sometime after that at least your

3252
02:03:12,830 --> 02:03:10,800
publisher sends it to you my publisher

3253
02:03:15,990 --> 02:03:12,840
didn't even show me

3254
02:03:17,750 --> 02:03:16,000
mine you signed off on it for me

3255
02:03:19,990 --> 02:03:17,760
don't go with them again

3256
02:03:22,229 --> 02:03:20,000
i don't plan to oh yeah make sure

3257
02:03:23,990 --> 02:03:22,239
everything's in place yeah

3258
02:03:25,510 --> 02:03:24,000
or you can self-publish like i did and

3259
02:03:27,030 --> 02:03:25,520
have all the headaches that fall right

3260
02:03:27,750 --> 02:03:27,040
on

3261
02:03:29,430 --> 02:03:27,760
and again you you

3262
02:03:30,790 --> 02:03:29,440
i think me and greg were talking about

3263
02:03:32,870 --> 02:03:30,800
this the other day i mean

3264
02:03:34,709 --> 02:03:32,880
self-publishing i mean a lot i know a

3265
02:03:36,950 --> 02:03:34,719
few people or a lot of people the ufo

3266
02:03:38,870 --> 02:03:36,960
subject particularly the writing field

3267
02:03:40,629 --> 02:03:38,880
who get very sort of

3268
02:03:42,310 --> 02:03:40,639
you know above themselves and say well

3269
02:03:44,310 --> 02:03:42,320
if you self-publish you're not a real

3270
02:03:46,470 --> 02:03:44,320
author you know they kind of have this

3271
02:03:48,310 --> 02:03:46,480
image that you've got to be published by

3272
02:03:50,070 --> 02:03:48,320
a known publisher well you know those

3273
02:03:52,470 --> 02:03:50,080
days are long gone and there's actually

3274
02:03:54,550 --> 02:03:52,480
a great deal to be said in my opinion at

3275
02:03:56,310 --> 02:03:54,560
least from self-publishing because you

3276
02:03:58,390 --> 02:03:56,320
can write about what you like it doesn't

3277
02:04:00,229 --> 02:03:58,400
matter how obscure the subject is you

3278
02:04:01,830 --> 02:04:00,239
know where a mainstream publisher might

3279
02:04:03,270 --> 02:04:01,840
say well we're not going to sell many

3280
02:04:06,430 --> 02:04:03,280
copies so we're not going to publish

3281
02:04:09,350 --> 02:04:06,440
this book on an obscure ufo case from

3282
02:04:10,790 --> 02:04:09,360
1947 or something but you can do that

3283
02:04:12,629 --> 02:04:10,800
you know you can design the cover

3284
02:04:14,149 --> 02:04:12,639
yourself you know when you want to put

3285
02:04:16,790 --> 02:04:14,159
it out

3286
02:04:19,589 --> 02:04:16,800
mainstream publishers they want control

3287
02:04:21,030 --> 02:04:19,599
and they want all the money

3288
02:04:22,709 --> 02:04:21,040
well yeah i mean yeah

3289
02:04:24,709 --> 02:04:22,719
they do get most of the money yeah and i

3290
02:04:27,669 --> 02:04:24,719
think also when i do you know when i'm

3291
02:04:29,669 --> 02:04:27,679
with publishers there's a great deal of

3292
02:04:32,390 --> 02:04:29,679
debate and discussion you know between

3293
02:04:34,310 --> 02:04:32,400
me my agents and the publishers as to

3294
02:04:36,070 --> 02:04:34,320
how things are to go ahead because you

3295
02:04:37,669 --> 02:04:36,080
know i don't want to be with publishers

3296
02:04:39,669 --> 02:04:37,679
that think they can just tell the author

3297
02:04:41,510 --> 02:04:39,679
what to do and i don't put up with that

3298
02:04:43,830 --> 02:04:41,520
you know i make sure that

3299
02:04:45,830 --> 02:04:43,840
this is how you know they say what ideas

3300
02:04:48,229 --> 02:04:45,840
you have for the cover you know so i

3301
02:04:50,070 --> 02:04:48,239
always come up with ideas that i think

3302
02:04:52,229 --> 02:04:50,080
will be good you know and then they will

3303
02:04:54,550 --> 02:04:52,239
do something based on what i suggest to

3304
02:04:56,390 --> 02:04:54,560
them and then it's sort of a case of you

3305
02:04:58,550 --> 02:04:56,400
know we we sort of battled between the

3306
02:04:59,830 --> 02:04:58,560
two of us and i think that you know it's

3307
02:05:01,910 --> 02:04:59,840
important

3308
02:05:04,149 --> 02:05:01,920
that an author retains

3309
02:05:05,270 --> 02:05:04,159
control on the theme of the book you

3310
02:05:07,669 --> 02:05:05,280
know i mean they've been books where

3311
02:05:09,830 --> 02:05:07,679
i've turned down the writing of a book

3312
02:05:10,629 --> 02:05:09,840
because i didn't feel comfortable

3313
02:05:12,709 --> 02:05:10,639
with

3314
02:05:14,790 --> 02:05:12,719
what the publisher was expecting or

3315
02:05:17,030 --> 02:05:14,800
wanting you know it's good for you nick

3316
02:05:18,870 --> 02:05:17,040
you guys can get what i wanted to do

3317
02:05:20,629 --> 02:05:18,880
i've done that too you know that's

3318
02:05:22,470 --> 02:05:20,639
really important i've you know i've been

3319
02:05:24,790 --> 02:05:22,480
blessed in one sense and then cursed in

3320
02:05:26,709 --> 02:05:24,800
another i've done all the covers for my

3321
02:05:29,030 --> 02:05:26,719
books you know my last three books at

3322
02:05:30,629 --> 02:05:29,040
least i've done the covers for and you

3323
02:05:32,229 --> 02:05:30,639
know i've been solely responsible for

3324
02:05:33,910 --> 02:05:32,239
the content i haven't had any problems

3325
02:05:35,830 --> 02:05:33,920
with that it's just you know the whole

3326
02:05:38,149 --> 02:05:35,840
thing with with publishers is is

3327
02:05:40,310 --> 02:05:38,159
normally you get an index normally you

3328
02:05:42,550 --> 02:05:40,320
get really good proofreading

3329
02:05:45,430 --> 02:05:42,560
and editorial expertise

3330
02:05:47,990 --> 02:05:45,440
sometimes if you go with a um

3331
02:05:49,589 --> 02:05:48,000
with a less than a major publisher you

3332
02:05:51,189 --> 02:05:49,599
don't get that kind of support they get

3333
02:05:53,430 --> 02:05:51,199
all the money you have to do all the

3334
02:05:55,830 --> 02:05:53,440
work unfortunately the follow-through

3335
02:05:58,310 --> 02:05:55,840
isn't uh you know where it should be and

3336
02:06:00,149 --> 02:05:58,320
and so there is something to be said for

3337
02:06:02,470 --> 02:06:00,159
this new kind of phase of publishing i

3338
02:06:05,350 --> 02:06:02,480
think we're going into and i'm looking

3339
02:06:08,070 --> 02:06:05,360
forward to uh maximizing my potential uh

3340
02:06:12,870 --> 02:06:09,990
yeah i i really think it's important to

3341
02:06:14,629 --> 02:06:12,880
uh you know to to do it and be the one

3342
02:06:17,510 --> 02:06:14,639
you i'm not gonna be able to point a

3343
02:06:19,430 --> 02:06:17,520
finger at anybody if i self-publish so

3344
02:06:20,709 --> 02:06:19,440
and i think that rings true for anybody

3345
02:06:23,430 --> 02:06:20,719
that's out there that thinks they have a

3346
02:06:25,189 --> 02:06:23,440
good subject uh and knows that they have

3347
02:06:27,669 --> 02:06:25,199
a passion for the for the subject matter

3348
02:06:30,870 --> 02:06:27,679
and they have the research um a good

3349
02:06:32,229 --> 02:06:30,880
example would be mike clelland's book

3350
02:06:34,470 --> 02:06:32,239
you know i think that was a very very

3351
02:06:36,790 --> 02:06:34,480
well done book it's been really well

3352
02:06:39,750 --> 02:06:36,800
accepted by the mainstream for a

3353
02:06:42,069 --> 02:06:39,760
first-time author um i think it's it's

3354
02:06:43,990 --> 02:06:42,079
a good example of how it can be done

3355
02:06:45,750 --> 02:06:44,000
properly and how you can have an impact

3356
02:06:47,830 --> 02:06:45,760
with a really relevant subject if you

3357
02:06:49,270 --> 02:06:47,840
have a good subject it deserves to be

3358
02:06:51,189 --> 02:06:49,280
out there and it deserves to have a

3359
02:06:52,870 --> 02:06:51,199
readership you know someone like you

3360
02:06:54,550 --> 02:06:52,880
nick i'm surprised you're not doing

3361
02:06:56,069 --> 02:06:54,560
you're all your own books you have so

3362
02:06:58,709 --> 02:06:56,079
many books out you have a

3363
02:07:00,470 --> 02:06:58,719
you know a well established readership

3364
02:07:02,229 --> 02:07:00,480
out there and so you might even think

3365
02:07:03,910 --> 02:07:02,239
about that now there's one thing i

3366
02:07:06,790 --> 02:07:03,920
should mention here there's a fly in the

3367
02:07:08,470 --> 02:07:06,800
ointment with this which is for a book

3368
02:07:11,270 --> 02:07:08,480
to be properly done

3369
02:07:13,109 --> 02:07:11,280
you really need an outside editor

3370
02:07:14,470 --> 02:07:13,119
and that can be expensive if you want to

3371
02:07:16,470 --> 02:07:14,480
invest in that

3372
02:07:17,750 --> 02:07:16,480
well it is but i mean you know there's

3373
02:07:19,669 --> 02:07:17,760
also

3374
02:07:21,910 --> 02:07:19,679
if you're self-publishing i mean there's

3375
02:07:24,310 --> 02:07:21,920
something to be said of of just really

3376
02:07:25,910 --> 02:07:24,320
having the author's input you know and

3377
02:07:28,470 --> 02:07:25,920
not being turned into some sort of

3378
02:07:30,390 --> 02:07:28,480
sterile writing style that the editor

3379
02:07:32,390 --> 02:07:30,400
might want you know and i think this

3380
02:07:34,390 --> 02:07:32,400
people kind of find that engaging

3381
02:07:36,550 --> 02:07:34,400
sometimes when it's just you know it's

3382
02:07:38,149 --> 02:07:36,560
sort of as they say the warts and all

3383
02:07:40,709 --> 02:07:38,159
you know from the from the earth in

3384
02:07:42,550 --> 02:07:40,719
their own words but yeah i think that's

3385
02:07:45,109 --> 02:07:42,560
particularly what i you know what is

3386
02:07:47,510 --> 02:07:45,119
known as the arts there's way too much

3387
02:07:49,430 --> 02:07:47,520
sort of self-important stuff of oh i'm a

3388
02:07:51,510 --> 02:07:49,440
published poet and whatever you know

3389
02:07:52,950 --> 02:07:51,520
it's like well he's like whatever you

3390
02:07:54,629 --> 02:07:52,960
know i don't care if somebody's

3391
02:07:59,350 --> 02:07:54,639
published by

3392
02:08:01,189 --> 02:07:59,360
some major company it's a story that you

3393
02:08:02,629 --> 02:08:01,199
know is important and if the person can

3394
02:08:04,709 --> 02:08:02,639
put out themselves

3395
02:08:06,790 --> 02:08:04,719
and get rid of the middleman you know

3396
02:08:08,229 --> 02:08:06,800
more power to them i mean my

3397
02:08:10,950 --> 02:08:08,239
i mean the women in black book and the

3398
02:08:13,189 --> 02:08:10,960
men in black book that i i did last year

3399
02:08:16,310 --> 02:08:13,199
they came out through my agent's company

3400
02:08:19,030 --> 02:08:16,320
lisa lisa hagen books and um lisa's my

3401
02:08:21,430 --> 02:08:19,040
agent but she set up her own company and

3402
02:08:22,470 --> 02:08:21,440
we do my books these books at least the

3403
02:08:23,669 --> 02:08:22,480
men and black and the women in black

3404
02:08:25,270 --> 02:08:23,679
books and a few others that are going to

3405
02:08:27,189 --> 02:08:25,280
come out we're doing those through

3406
02:08:29,109 --> 02:08:27,199
lisa's company so it's just the two of

3407
02:08:30,310 --> 02:08:29,119
us really cool inside you know the

3408
02:08:32,069 --> 02:08:30,320
subjects

3409
02:08:35,030 --> 02:08:32,079
you know how what the theme is going to

3410
02:08:36,629 --> 02:08:35,040
be and um getting the designer on board

3411
02:08:38,470 --> 02:08:36,639
and you know the person who's going to

3412
02:08:41,030 --> 02:08:38,480
edit it and do the cover but it's

3413
02:08:42,550 --> 02:08:41,040
basically sort of mainly you know

3414
02:08:44,629 --> 02:08:42,560
saying with this is what we want to do

3415
02:08:46,310 --> 02:08:44,639
what we can do for the next one and um

3416
02:08:48,069 --> 02:08:46,320
but yeah i would like to do more you

3417
02:08:49,510 --> 02:08:48,079
know go down that self-published path

3418
02:08:51,669 --> 02:08:49,520
because i have got a lot of storage

3419
02:08:53,350 --> 02:08:51,679
which is so obscure that i know even

3420
02:08:54,950 --> 02:08:53,360
other good stories most publishers going

3421
02:08:57,910 --> 02:08:54,960
to look at them and think they're going

3422
02:09:00,709 --> 02:08:57,920
to sell 50 copies but you know for me

3423
02:09:03,189 --> 02:09:00,719
if it only sells 50 or 100 if it goes to

3424
02:09:05,109 --> 02:09:03,199
people who really enjoy it well so what

3425
02:09:06,550 --> 02:09:05,119
you know that it's it's sharing the

3426
02:09:08,629 --> 02:09:06,560
information and

3427
02:09:09,910 --> 02:09:08,639
entertaining someone at the same time

3428
02:09:10,950 --> 02:09:09,920
right and you're the only one that can

3429
02:09:12,950 --> 02:09:10,960
write it

3430
02:09:14,470 --> 02:09:12,960
that's the important thing is if if you

3431
02:09:16,950 --> 02:09:14,480
don't write it it's not going to get

3432
02:09:22,069 --> 02:09:19,589
greg got some um on you know just weird

3433
02:09:24,069 --> 02:09:22,079
experiences that you know he could do a

3434
02:09:25,830 --> 02:09:24,079
call book out of those or whatever yeah

3435
02:09:27,910 --> 02:09:25,840
well what do what do you think of the uh

3436
02:09:29,510 --> 02:09:27,920
the self-published route greg you've

3437
02:09:32,149 --> 02:09:29,520
just gone through the whole process i

3438
02:09:35,030 --> 02:09:32,159
mean any advice for aspiring writers out

3439
02:09:36,790 --> 02:09:35,040
there that have maybe um you know a

3440
02:09:38,149 --> 02:09:36,800
data bank of some interesting material

3441
02:09:39,430 --> 02:09:38,159
that they want to get out

3442
02:09:41,669 --> 02:09:39,440
yeah um

3443
02:09:43,510 --> 02:09:41,679
but i will sort of try and start the

3444
02:09:46,149 --> 02:09:43,520
beginning you know i if i hadn't been

3445
02:09:47,990 --> 02:09:46,159
published by you know two or three

3446
02:09:49,589 --> 02:09:48,000
regular publishers i probably would have

3447
02:09:50,709 --> 02:09:49,599
just trying to go and try to go to the

3448
02:09:52,950 --> 02:09:50,719
publisher

3449
02:09:55,589 --> 02:09:52,960
um but since i have i really didn't have

3450
02:09:57,030 --> 02:09:55,599
any really bad experiences with anybody

3451
02:09:59,109 --> 02:09:57,040
there's some light editing and some of

3452
02:10:01,350 --> 02:09:59,119
the things i did project beta wasn't

3453
02:10:03,270 --> 02:10:01,360
touched really actually patrick luigi i

3454
02:10:05,990 --> 02:10:03,280
think changed one word

3455
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in the entire text so i got really lucky

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we'll be luckier if we break now because

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we can come back and we can go more into

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hi this is joshua p warren author of the

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poor man's paranormal and you're

3560
02:15:02,870 --> 02:14:50,159
listening to the paracast the gold

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02:15:09,430 --> 02:15:05,430
you know ladies and gentlemen my network

3562
02:15:10,870 --> 02:15:09,440
had a freak out in our last segment

3563
02:15:12,790 --> 02:15:10,880
you know which is good because you know

3564
02:15:15,109 --> 02:15:12,800
you think about it this way the show is

3565
02:15:17,189 --> 02:15:15,119
broadcast early in the morning

3566
02:15:18,790 --> 02:15:17,199
you kind of think the engineers are used

3567
02:15:20,629 --> 02:15:18,800
to the fact i'm not going to have one of

3568
02:15:22,470 --> 02:15:20,639
those seven deadly words

3569
02:15:25,910 --> 02:15:22,480
so they're nodding off

3570
02:15:27,669 --> 02:15:25,920
and suddenly we've got nick redfern

3571
02:15:29,669 --> 02:15:27,679
waking them back up

3572
02:15:32,629 --> 02:15:29,679
yeah good luck sounded like the

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02:15:34,069 --> 02:15:32,639
announcer of the home team and you know

3574
02:15:38,750 --> 02:15:34,079
it's talking about a goal from the

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02:15:43,189 --> 02:15:41,350
[Music]

3576
02:15:45,109 --> 02:15:43,199
he told me i was going too fast last

3577
02:15:48,149 --> 02:15:45,119
time so i took the paracast and he took

3578
02:15:49,669 --> 02:15:48,159
me up 15 seconds

3579
02:15:51,830 --> 02:15:49,679
that definitely has the record for the

3580
02:15:53,189 --> 02:15:51,840
longest paracast stinger that we've i

3581
02:15:54,870 --> 02:15:53,199
don't know yeah i don't know what's that

3582
02:16:09,910 --> 02:15:54,880
but yeah jean said you're saying it too

3583
02:16:14,870 --> 02:16:11,990
tell us about self-publishing the the

3584
02:16:17,109 --> 02:16:14,880
the trials the pitfalls the the rewards

3585
02:16:19,669 --> 02:16:17,119
and the uh you know everything that goes

3586
02:16:21,830 --> 02:16:19,679
goes into it well i've got this like

3587
02:16:23,830 --> 02:16:21,840
weird control thing i mean when i wanted

3588
02:16:25,990 --> 02:16:23,840
to do it well also cheapness when i

3589
02:16:27,510 --> 02:16:26,000
didn't want to do my website or any

3590
02:16:29,270 --> 02:16:27,520
number of websites i just went on the

3591
02:16:31,109 --> 02:16:29,280
web and just started typing in questions

3592
02:16:32,870 --> 02:16:31,119
about how to do it and eventually you

3593
02:16:34,950 --> 02:16:32,880
can find questions you know answers that

3594
02:16:37,190 --> 02:16:34,960
make sense so i did the same with with

3595
02:16:39,669 --> 02:16:37,200
doing the book um also i went through

3596
02:16:41,509 --> 02:16:39,679
lulu who make it fairly you know easy

3597
02:16:44,070 --> 02:16:41,519
for you to do it because you just have

3598
02:16:45,990 --> 02:16:44,080
to send them a properly set up formatted

3599
02:16:47,429 --> 02:16:46,000
file and that takes there's a learning

3600
02:16:48,950 --> 02:16:47,439
curve on that too

3601
02:16:50,469 --> 02:16:48,960
so what i would say is if you do want to

3602
02:16:52,950 --> 02:16:50,479
do this yourself the first one's going

3603
02:16:54,950 --> 02:16:52,960
to be just it's it's painful but then

3604
02:16:56,469 --> 02:16:54,960
after that you've already got it down

3605
02:16:57,910 --> 02:16:56,479
walter bosley can tell you the same

3606
02:16:59,830 --> 02:16:57,920
thing you told me the same thing you get

3607
02:17:02,469 --> 02:16:59,840
that first one down and the way you're

3608
02:17:03,190 --> 02:17:02,479
doing it uh you get your process through

3609
02:17:05,990 --> 02:17:03,200
and

3610
02:17:08,709 --> 02:17:06,000
it becomes a lot easier what um i think

3611
02:17:10,309 --> 02:17:08,719
it was uh jean said is that it or maybe

3612
02:17:12,389 --> 02:17:10,319
chris said it's valuable to have no was

3613
02:17:14,070 --> 02:17:12,399
she it's valuable to have somebody else

3614
02:17:15,509 --> 02:17:14,080
read the thing because otherwise you

3615
02:17:17,030 --> 02:17:15,519
don't know how people are going to react

3616
02:17:18,950 --> 02:17:17,040
to it you know i had a couple people

3617
02:17:21,110 --> 02:17:18,960
read the book both one for content and

3618
02:17:22,230 --> 02:17:21,120
two to help me uh uh do some

3619
02:17:24,150 --> 02:17:22,240
proofreading

3620
02:17:26,309 --> 02:17:24,160
and that was really valuable so yeah

3621
02:17:27,429 --> 02:17:26,319
that's there's one piece of advice i

3622
02:17:29,750 --> 02:17:27,439
would say anybody that wants to

3623
02:17:32,230 --> 02:17:29,760
self-publish get somebody else to read

3624
02:17:33,990 --> 02:17:32,240
it because what makes sense to you may

3625
02:17:36,309 --> 02:17:34,000
not make sense to anybody else or not

3626
02:17:37,669 --> 02:17:36,319
much sick and they'll say look this this

3627
02:17:39,589 --> 02:17:37,679
one you know this one chapter or

3628
02:17:40,629 --> 02:17:39,599
whatever doesn't make any sense or you

3629
02:17:42,230 --> 02:17:40,639
know i don't know what you're talking

3630
02:17:43,349 --> 02:17:42,240
about here because obviously when you

3631
02:17:44,950 --> 02:17:43,359
wrote it you know what you're talking

3632
02:17:46,950 --> 02:17:44,960
about but the point is you have to

3633
02:17:49,030 --> 02:17:46,960
communicate that so that's a really

3634
02:17:50,709 --> 02:17:49,040
important part and the other one is just

3635
02:17:52,629 --> 02:17:50,719
to be really patient about about your

3636
02:17:54,389 --> 02:17:52,639
learning curve because it it took me a

3637
02:17:56,790 --> 02:17:54,399
while you know i'm i'm not stupid but

3638
02:17:58,870 --> 02:17:56,800
i'm also not like horribly smart either

3639
02:18:00,389 --> 02:17:58,880
so it took me a while to figure out all

3640
02:18:02,230 --> 02:18:00,399
these little things and i did it in

3641
02:18:03,030 --> 02:18:02,240
microsoft word it took me a little while

3642
02:18:04,790 --> 02:18:03,040
but

3643
02:18:06,709 --> 02:18:04,800
i didn't microsoft word and kindle will

3644
02:18:07,589 --> 02:18:06,719
actually take a microsoft word file then

3645
02:18:09,750 --> 02:18:07,599
they just

3646
02:18:11,589 --> 02:18:09,760
really they yeah they convert it so i

3647
02:18:13,910 --> 02:18:11,599
had to get the little so you didn't use

3648
02:18:16,389 --> 02:18:13,920
like indesign or like cork or you know

3649
02:18:19,030 --> 02:18:16,399
some of the desktop wow no i just took

3650
02:18:21,110 --> 02:18:19,040
the microsoft word file um took all the

3651
02:18:22,950 --> 02:18:21,120
formatting like you know the chapter or

3652
02:18:25,589 --> 02:18:22,960
the the headers and footers and all that

3653
02:18:26,790 --> 02:18:25,599
stuff out and you know i ran it through

3654
02:18:28,230 --> 02:18:26,800
their thing and it's like you know and

3655
02:18:29,750 --> 02:18:28,240
some of the pictures came out crooked

3656
02:18:31,589 --> 02:18:29,760
and all this is like oh okay i guess i

3657
02:18:33,750 --> 02:18:31,599
have to center them first you know

3658
02:18:35,429 --> 02:18:33,760
before i paste the pictures and it was

3659
02:18:38,389 --> 02:18:35,439
just you know it took a while but you

3660
02:18:41,030 --> 02:18:38,399
know i it took me i think four days of

3661
02:18:42,709 --> 02:18:41,040
just sitting there all day for four days

3662
02:18:45,349 --> 02:18:42,719
to get the kindle edition uh put

3663
02:18:47,830 --> 02:18:45,359
together so it's not impossible and it's

3664
02:18:49,509 --> 02:18:47,840
not easy but it's very rewarding because

3665
02:18:52,389 --> 02:18:49,519
when you're done you've got something

3666
02:18:54,150 --> 02:18:52,399
that's totally 100 yours the royalties

3667
02:18:56,469 --> 02:18:54,160
on them are much better than you get

3668
02:18:59,589 --> 02:18:56,479
with a publisher but the only drawback

3669
02:19:01,110 --> 02:18:59,599
is you don't have the publicity machine

3670
02:19:03,190 --> 02:19:01,120
so you got to be your own publicity

3671
02:19:05,589 --> 02:19:03,200
machine and luckily i know people do

3672
02:19:07,429 --> 02:19:05,599
podcasts i do my own i got on coast to

3673
02:19:08,950 --> 02:19:07,439
coast which helped a lot too

3674
02:19:10,790 --> 02:19:08,960
all these things if you if you know the

3675
02:19:12,389 --> 02:19:10,800
people and you have the the outlets to

3676
02:19:14,870 --> 02:19:12,399
get the thing out or get get your

3677
02:19:17,509 --> 02:19:14,880
message out use them one thing i should

3678
02:19:20,150 --> 02:19:17,519
mention also here obviously a publisher

3679
02:19:22,549 --> 02:19:20,160
has a publicity machine but unless

3680
02:19:24,790 --> 02:19:22,559
you're a best-selling author

3681
02:19:26,629 --> 02:19:24,800
getting that publicity machine to do

3682
02:19:27,830 --> 02:19:26,639
much more than sending out a single

3683
02:19:29,830 --> 02:19:27,840
press release

3684
02:19:31,429 --> 02:19:29,840
is a job in itself

3685
02:19:33,669 --> 02:19:31,439
well it depends on the publisher you

3686
02:19:35,990 --> 02:19:33,679
know we went through for project beta it

3687
02:19:38,790 --> 02:19:36,000
was um fairview pocket and simon

3688
02:19:41,349 --> 02:19:38,800
schuster they sent copies out to

3689
02:19:42,870 --> 02:19:41,359
everyone they sent press releases out

3690
02:19:44,549 --> 02:19:42,880
everywhere because they you know it's

3691
02:19:47,030 --> 02:19:44,559
simon and schuster they got a they've

3692
02:19:49,270 --> 02:19:47,040
got a huge machine they've got a whole

3693
02:19:51,429 --> 02:19:49,280
floor of people that do nothing but that

3694
02:19:53,429 --> 02:19:51,439
yeah but if you go through you know

3695
02:19:55,590 --> 02:19:53,439
joe's publishing it's you probably do a

3696
02:19:58,150 --> 02:19:55,600
better job yourself the first one maybe

3697
02:19:59,990 --> 02:19:58,160
not but after you get going it's a lot

3698
02:20:02,070 --> 02:20:00,000
like anything it just gets a lot easier

3699
02:20:03,030 --> 02:20:02,080
you find out and you know at some point

3700
02:20:04,550 --> 02:20:03,040
you know

3701
02:20:06,710 --> 02:20:04,560
there's already been books written on

3702
02:20:08,870 --> 02:20:06,720
how you can do it yourself and uh those

3703
02:20:10,630 --> 02:20:08,880
are helpful as well well my my first two

3704
02:20:14,469 --> 02:20:10,640
books were done by say martin's press

3705
02:20:17,670 --> 02:20:14,479
and at one point the publicity campaign

3706
02:20:19,990 --> 02:20:17,680
for the second book i was doing 35 to 10

3707
02:20:21,429 --> 02:20:20,000
minute radio spots a day

3708
02:20:24,550 --> 02:20:21,439
and this went on for

3709
02:20:26,469 --> 02:20:24,560
over a week wow well nick what about you

3710
02:20:27,670 --> 02:20:26,479
i mean you've got this you know

3711
02:20:30,070 --> 02:20:27,680
wonderful

3712
02:20:31,670 --> 02:20:30,080
listenership and readership uh people

3713
02:20:33,910 --> 02:20:31,680
that listen to you on on the paracasts

3714
02:20:36,469 --> 02:20:33,920
and other podcasts and radio shows but

3715
02:20:38,550 --> 02:20:36,479
you've also got this wonderful you know

3716
02:20:40,230 --> 02:20:38,560
base readership

3717
02:20:41,830 --> 02:20:40,240
how do you how do you what would you

3718
02:20:43,429 --> 02:20:41,840
advise somebody that's trying to get

3719
02:20:44,790 --> 02:20:43,439
into this field that doesn't have that

3720
02:20:47,349 --> 02:20:44,800
that

3721
02:20:50,070 --> 02:20:47,359
requires some help well i mean a lot of

3722
02:20:52,950 --> 02:20:50,080
it just comes down to sort of hard work

3723
02:20:55,590 --> 02:20:52,960
and and the realization that if you want

3724
02:20:57,990 --> 02:20:55,600
to turn a passion into a job

3725
02:20:59,990 --> 02:20:58,000
then you've got to work you know you've

3726
02:21:00,790 --> 02:21:00,000
got to put the effort in and you've got

3727
02:21:07,590 --> 02:21:00,800
to

3728
02:21:10,630 --> 02:21:07,600
you know the people within it and and

3729
02:21:13,030 --> 02:21:10,640
not get screwed over you know not get

3730
02:21:15,910 --> 02:21:13,040
taken advantage of to make sure that you

3731
02:21:18,630 --> 02:21:15,920
have an agent who is conversant with

3732
02:21:20,550 --> 02:21:18,640
contracts and legalities and getting

3733
02:21:23,270 --> 02:21:20,560
things in your favor

3734
02:21:25,190 --> 02:21:23,280
and don't be don't be daunted by it just

3735
02:21:27,190 --> 02:21:25,200
learn it all step by step you know as

3736
02:21:28,790 --> 02:21:27,200
you would if you worked as a

3737
02:21:31,030 --> 02:21:28,800
i don't know as if your car mechanic you

3738
02:21:33,030 --> 02:21:31,040
know you learn bits of the engine bit by

3739
02:21:34,870 --> 02:21:33,040
bit um it's it's kind of like that you

3740
02:21:36,389 --> 02:21:34,880
just have to

3741
02:21:39,030 --> 02:21:36,399
know the business and i think that's

3742
02:21:41,030 --> 02:21:39,040
when people sometimes get caught up and

3743
02:21:42,710 --> 02:21:41,040
they fall down because

3744
02:21:44,150 --> 02:21:42,720
you know somebody says to them oh we'll

3745
02:21:46,070 --> 02:21:44,160
publish your book and it's the first

3746
02:21:47,429 --> 02:21:46,080
time and i understand it it's exciting

3747
02:21:49,590 --> 02:21:47,439
you know the prospect of having your

3748
02:21:51,429 --> 02:21:49,600
first book published but sometimes

3749
02:21:54,150 --> 02:21:51,439
people can get tangled up in

3750
02:21:55,830 --> 02:21:54,160
all sorts of bad contracts or the

3751
02:21:57,670 --> 02:21:55,840
publisher doesn't promise doesn't

3752
02:22:00,230 --> 02:21:57,680
deliver what it promises you know and

3753
02:22:02,070 --> 02:22:00,240
there's a the finished book doesn't look

3754
02:22:03,429 --> 02:22:02,080
that good there's errors and stuff like

3755
02:22:05,030 --> 02:22:03,439
that so

3756
02:22:06,870 --> 02:22:05,040
regardless of the subject you know

3757
02:22:10,230 --> 02:22:06,880
whether you're writing books about

3758
02:22:12,389 --> 02:22:10,240
hollywood actors or ufos or sports or

3759
02:22:13,910 --> 02:22:12,399
whatever it is you know you've got to

3760
02:22:15,349 --> 02:22:13,920
sort of

3761
02:22:16,950 --> 02:22:15,359
realize that

3762
02:22:18,309 --> 02:22:16,960
like i said if it's your passion and it

3763
02:22:20,389 --> 02:22:18,319
becomes a job

3764
02:22:22,710 --> 02:22:20,399
then you've got to learn

3765
02:22:23,990 --> 02:22:22,720
your job you know that that's really

3766
02:22:25,750 --> 02:22:24,000
sounds

3767
02:22:27,429 --> 02:22:25,760
hard but it's it's simple you've just

3768
02:22:29,590 --> 02:22:27,439
got to know what you're doing or and

3769
02:22:32,550 --> 02:22:29,600
have people around you know what they're

3770
02:22:34,389 --> 02:22:32,560
doing as well and um and then just keep

3771
02:22:36,870 --> 02:22:34,399
pushing you know just keep pushing i

3772
02:22:38,950 --> 02:22:36,880
think sort of being

3773
02:22:40,950 --> 02:22:38,960
in a position where you

3774
02:22:42,710 --> 02:22:40,960
don't give up you know

3775
02:22:45,349 --> 02:22:42,720
the first publisher says no the second

3776
02:22:47,670 --> 02:22:45,359
one says no the third one says no

3777
02:22:49,750 --> 02:22:47,680
just keep pushing you know um you know

3778
02:22:51,670 --> 02:22:49,760
what are you gonna do just give up and

3779
02:22:52,950 --> 02:22:51,680
lose you know what i mean no that's no

3780
02:22:54,230 --> 02:22:52,960
you just gotta

3781
02:22:56,150 --> 02:22:54,240
you've just gotta

3782
02:22:58,630 --> 02:22:56,160
keep on and on yeah you gotta keep it

3783
02:23:00,389 --> 02:22:58,640
going and and the same holds true for

3784
02:23:02,790 --> 02:23:00,399
you know for other artistic pursuits

3785
02:23:05,110 --> 02:23:02,800
whether it's uh the music business which

3786
02:23:07,349 --> 02:23:05,120
can dovetail into this conversation

3787
02:23:09,590 --> 02:23:07,359
effortlessly um the same thing is going

3788
02:23:11,830 --> 02:23:09,600
on there uh the music business has been

3789
02:23:14,230 --> 02:23:11,840
screwing over artists for decades and

3790
02:23:16,710 --> 02:23:14,240
now they're getting screwed over because

3791
02:23:19,190 --> 02:23:16,720
um artists are going direct to uh to the

3792
02:23:22,469 --> 02:23:19,200
market uh with their own

3793
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uh releases of musical material and you

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know even films i think we're going to

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see now

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major films i think the whole curve was

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kind of started with the bell witch uh

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project would be would be the classic uh

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you know you know zeitgeist producing uh

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example of what i'm talking about but

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you know it doesn't matter what kind of

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artistic vision you have there's a way

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to get it done

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uh with you in total

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charge and in control in this uh

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wonderful technological age that we live

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in so you know if if the vision

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is pure and the motive and means are

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you're really willing to work at it and

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not give up i mean it's amazing the kind

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of uh you know

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it depends on the subject it depends on

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the album it depends on you know the

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film or whatever but

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you know i mean sky's the limit you can

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kind of write your own ticket in this

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day and age we got to write our own

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break right now folks so let's do it we

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have nick redfearn and greg bishop and

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gene and chris

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wanted to

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publish your own book listen to greg

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listen to

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nick

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i've done it a couple of times most of

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my books were published by real

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publishers

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not that it helped me yeah what we've

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got to get away from just quickly

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is what i can't stand is this

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self-important oh i'm an author i'm an

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artiste you know

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like it's like it's an exclusive club

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that you can't join well yeah anyone can

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join anyone can put out a really good

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book and no one should be telling people

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that you you know you're not a real

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author that's all

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those days are like big publishers and

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cocktail parties and all that stuff i

3954
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don't understand all that you know it's

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not necessary

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everybody's got a book in them and

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everybody now has the ability to put a

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book out and and if the old style of

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school of authors don't like it well you

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know they haven't moved on their

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dinosaurs you know

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now just in case you still want a real

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editor to help you out i did go online

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to price out services for editing a book

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manuscript

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if you go to a lulu or

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amazon create space

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a fairly large book like 70 80 000 words

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you're talking about three four thousand

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dollars but if you look online you go to

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an individual editor and some have

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pretty good records you can save quite a

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bit of money chris we've got some more

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questions of nick we pretty much

3975
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answered most of them uh gene but but i

3976
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do have another one from william

3977
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strathman relating to that

3978
02:30:34,309 --> 02:30:32,479
kind of weird event that happened to you

3979
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nick what i guess would be almost five

3980
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years ago now where your pc was hacked

3981
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when you had an inadvertent call

3982
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at the very beginning of the whole

3983
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roswell slide

3984
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controversy and

3985
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have you heard back from the authorities

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about who

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i got nothing and so didn't a couple of

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other people who um also put into place

3989
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got nothing back now that was a weird

3990
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thing because i'm never really sure even

3991
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to this day if it was actually a hack or

3992
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what it was

3993
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or you know i mean i'm not fully

3994
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conversant on all those issues but well

3995
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they knew information that that they

3996
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only could have gotten from your

3997
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computer or from an email you sent no it

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wasn't from mine it was actually more

3999
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from it was tony brigally and rich

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reynolds it was tony bragalia's

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laptop that was reportedly compromised

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and that but what was happening was that

4003
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the person who did it or the people who

4004
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did it were reading his emails and then

4005
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when me and rich reynolds were replying

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to them they were seeing what we were

4007
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saying and they were responding but it

4008
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wasn't like it was me and rich who had

4009
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actually been

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intruded upon ourselves there were it

4011
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was there was no doubt it was tom

4012
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bragalia who whose system was

4013
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compromised you know as i said we were

4014
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emailing back to him so the person was

4015
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reading it based out of his email

4016
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accounts you know

4017
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but that was weird because

4018
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he was at the start like he said at the

4019
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whole roswell slides thing and this was

4020
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before anybody had seen the slides and

4021
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and before anybody actually knew for

4022
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sure that it was just a mummified child

4023
02:32:09,750 --> 02:32:08,080
and so i do sometimes wonder if whoever

4024
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did the hacking whether it was sinister

4025
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or just somebody in ufology whatever the

4026
02:32:17,030 --> 02:32:14,640
answer is i think at the time

4027
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whoever that person was they were really

4028
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interested and possibly even worried

4029
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about what the photographs were going to

4030
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show and so they went because they

4031
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weren't sure what the people had got

4032
02:32:29,670 --> 02:32:28,080
and so i think from that perspective

4033
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that may have been why the hacking went

4034
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on you know if they'd known in advance

4035
02:32:34,710 --> 02:32:33,040
people just got pictures of a mummified

4036
02:32:36,469 --> 02:32:34,720
child it wouldn't have happened because

4037
02:32:38,469 --> 02:32:36,479
there'd be no point to it so i don't

4038
02:32:40,710 --> 02:32:38,479
think you know it doesn't legitimize

4039
02:32:43,510 --> 02:32:40,720
anything other than the fact that maybe

4040
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when the story first trickled out

4041
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maybe i'm speculating maybe somebody on

4042
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the inside thought wow perhaps somebody

4043
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really has got a photograph from back

4044
02:32:53,190 --> 02:32:51,680
then we need to look into this and then

4045
02:32:55,510 --> 02:32:53,200
when it fell apart they kind of just had

4046
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a fire relief you know it went away

4047
02:32:58,309 --> 02:32:56,800
you know let me just tell you something

4048
02:33:00,950 --> 02:32:58,319
i haven't mentioned before because it

4049
02:33:03,990 --> 02:33:00,960
happened today now i have lots and lots

4050
02:33:06,230 --> 02:33:04,000
of email messages some going back to

4051
02:33:08,710 --> 02:33:06,240
like 1999.

4052
02:33:11,910 --> 02:33:08,720
my inbox on one of my accounts i won't

4053
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say which one an inbox with about 3

4054
02:33:16,950 --> 02:33:14,000
600 messages

4055
02:33:19,349 --> 02:33:16,960
wiped away disappeared

4056
02:33:21,349 --> 02:33:19,359
just checked it it wasn't on just one

4057
02:33:23,670 --> 02:33:21,359
computer it was

4058
02:33:27,030 --> 02:33:23,680
on my iphone

4059
02:33:29,030 --> 02:33:27,040
it was with different email clients gone

4060
02:33:31,110 --> 02:33:29,040
vanished fortunately

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02:33:33,270 --> 02:33:31,120
the email provider we use and i'll give

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02:33:36,070 --> 02:33:33,280
the name because they advertise with us

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02:33:36,950 --> 02:33:36,080
sometimes polaris mail

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02:33:39,110 --> 02:33:36,960
okay

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02:33:41,590 --> 02:33:39,120
polarismail.com

4066
02:33:43,910 --> 02:33:41,600
they were able to restore most of it wow

4067
02:33:46,630 --> 02:33:43,920
so this was multiple platforms that the

4068
02:33:48,469 --> 02:33:46,640
the data was gone it was nothing to do

4069
02:33:50,389 --> 02:33:48,479
with platform the

4070
02:33:53,270 --> 02:33:50,399
webmail you go online you check your

4071
02:33:56,070 --> 02:33:53,280
webmail you check it in your favorite

4072
02:33:58,230 --> 02:33:56,080
application on the mac would be mail or

4073
02:34:00,469 --> 02:33:58,240
outlook for the mac

4074
02:34:02,110 --> 02:34:00,479
or mail on your iphone

4075
02:34:04,230 --> 02:34:02,120
all gone

4076
02:34:06,230 --> 02:34:04,240
3600 messages

4077
02:34:08,389 --> 02:34:06,240
wiped away they weren't trash because if

4078
02:34:09,750 --> 02:34:08,399
they were trashed you can go into the

4079
02:34:12,710 --> 02:34:09,760
trash folder

4080
02:34:13,670 --> 02:34:12,720
and see the messages no gone zap

4081
02:34:16,710 --> 02:34:13,680
complete

4082
02:34:18,710 --> 02:34:16,720
well we were supposed to mention uh

4083
02:34:21,349 --> 02:34:18,720
trevor james constable who another

4084
02:34:23,270 --> 02:34:21,359
person who we just recently lost within

4085
02:34:25,750 --> 02:34:23,280
uh the last week or two

4086
02:34:27,830 --> 02:34:25,760
and we were going to talk about tjs

4087
02:34:29,190 --> 02:34:27,840
theories uh i guess we're going to have

4088
02:34:32,070 --> 02:34:29,200
to

4089
02:34:33,349 --> 02:34:32,080
extend this back well out for another

4090
02:34:34,710 --> 02:34:33,359
show because

4091
02:34:36,630 --> 02:34:34,720
i'm telling you

4092
02:34:38,950 --> 02:34:36,640
constable in some of his stories about

4093
02:34:42,230 --> 02:34:38,960
sky critters i i think

4094
02:34:44,710 --> 02:34:42,240
are really important and very few people

4095
02:34:46,550 --> 02:34:44,720
have really looked into the whole idea

4096
02:34:49,750 --> 02:34:46,560
of you know the possibility of

4097
02:34:52,790 --> 02:34:49,760
biological life forms existing out in

4098
02:34:54,950 --> 02:34:52,800
our atmosphere uh i i think that whole

4099
02:34:57,349 --> 02:34:54,960
concept and and the photographs that he

4100
02:34:59,429 --> 02:34:57,359
got with infrared film it's just a

4101
02:35:01,590 --> 02:34:59,439
really interesting fascinating subject

4102
02:35:03,830 --> 02:35:01,600
and and the two of you i know have

4103
02:35:06,389 --> 02:35:03,840
looked into constable's work and before

4104
02:35:07,670 --> 02:35:06,399
we go here let's get some feedback on

4105
02:35:10,070 --> 02:35:07,680
what you think

4106
02:35:12,550 --> 02:35:10,080
he was on to if anything and do you

4107
02:35:14,790 --> 02:35:12,560
think that his photographic evidence has

4108
02:35:16,630 --> 02:35:14,800
some form of legitimacy well very

4109
02:35:18,070 --> 02:35:16,640
quickly if greg wants to talk about

4110
02:35:19,830 --> 02:35:18,080
constable one thing i would just very

4111
02:35:21,590 --> 02:35:19,840
very quickly say is coincidentally i've

4112
02:35:23,910 --> 02:35:21,600
just written an article from mysterious

4113
02:35:25,830 --> 02:35:23,920
universe which all about the fact that

4114
02:35:27,670 --> 02:35:25,840
constable was very interested in albert

4115
02:35:30,070 --> 02:35:27,680
bender's story and he corresponded

4116
02:35:32,950 --> 02:35:30,080
extensively with grey barker all about

4117
02:35:34,550 --> 02:35:32,960
his theories on what bender experienced

4118
02:35:37,030 --> 02:35:34,560
and that article should hopefully be up

4119
02:35:38,550 --> 02:35:37,040
tonight or at some point tomorrow

4120
02:35:40,389 --> 02:35:38,560
greg

4121
02:35:42,309 --> 02:35:40,399
yeah constable he's been very

4122
02:35:44,630 --> 02:35:42,319
interesting to me for many years i wish

4123
02:35:46,070 --> 02:35:44,640
i'd talked to him at some point um one

4124
02:35:47,910 --> 02:35:46,080
thing people don't really know is that

4125
02:35:48,950 --> 02:35:47,920
he was very interested in welcome likes

4126
02:35:51,670 --> 02:35:48,960
theories that actually built

4127
02:35:53,510 --> 02:35:51,680
cloudbusters and tried to affect ufos

4128
02:35:55,990 --> 02:35:53,520
with them and apparently he had some

4129
02:35:59,349 --> 02:35:56,000
sort of uh photographic proof that this

4130
02:36:00,950 --> 02:35:59,359
had happened he also um uh

4131
02:36:03,510 --> 02:36:00,960
used the cloudbuster actually to make

4132
02:36:05,830 --> 02:36:03,520
rain and this was recorded and

4133
02:36:07,750 --> 02:36:05,840
i've never seen it happen but apparently

4134
02:36:10,070 --> 02:36:07,760
it worked for him so he's a lot more

4135
02:36:11,429 --> 02:36:10,080
complicated character than uh

4136
02:36:13,270 --> 02:36:11,439
into a lot more things than a lot of

4137
02:36:16,070 --> 02:36:13,280
people know there's actually video or

4138
02:36:17,429 --> 02:36:16,080
film of him in uh in an old documentary

4139
02:36:19,030 --> 02:36:17,439
playing around with his cloud buster and

4140
02:36:22,070 --> 02:36:19,040
like turning it around on the turret

4141
02:36:23,750 --> 02:36:22,080
it's a really cool little piece of film

4142
02:36:25,510 --> 02:36:23,760
it's something like the uh the three of

4143
02:36:27,270 --> 02:36:25,520
us would have done oh i would have

4144
02:36:29,750 --> 02:36:27,280
definitely done that i was trying out

4145
02:36:31,349 --> 02:36:29,760
that stuff when i was in my apartment

4146
02:36:32,710 --> 02:36:31,359
basically with little tubes and some

4147
02:36:35,270 --> 02:36:32,720
running water just to see what would

4148
02:36:36,389 --> 02:36:35,280
happen nothing happened now ivan t

4149
02:36:39,110 --> 02:36:36,399
sanderson

4150
02:36:41,830 --> 02:36:39,120
also had done some speculation about the

4151
02:36:44,630 --> 02:36:41,840
possibility that at least some ufos were

4152
02:36:47,270 --> 02:36:44,640
living creatures we're just out of time

4153
02:36:49,429 --> 02:36:47,280
here trevor james constable

4154
02:36:50,469 --> 02:36:49,439
we'll definitely try to do an episode

4155
02:36:52,710 --> 02:36:50,479
about him

4156
02:36:54,710 --> 02:36:52,720
therein lies many tales

4157
02:36:55,830 --> 02:36:54,720
nick redfearn where can we find more of

4158
02:36:57,990 --> 02:36:55,840
your stuff

4159
02:36:58,950 --> 02:36:58,000
my blog which is title world of whatever

4160
02:37:01,830 --> 02:36:58,960
and the address is nick

4161
02:37:04,950 --> 02:37:01,840
redfearn40and.blogspot.com

4162
02:37:06,389 --> 02:37:04,960
or facebook up there as well greg i made

4163
02:37:09,429 --> 02:37:06,399
up a site for the book it's called it

4164
02:37:11,349 --> 02:37:09,439
defies language.com there's contact info

4165
02:37:13,670 --> 02:37:11,359
there and plus obviously the show is

4166
02:37:16,070 --> 02:37:13,680
writing mysterio so my next live one is

4167
02:37:19,190 --> 02:37:16,080
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02:37:52,309 --> 02:37:50,240
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4186
02:37:54,150 --> 02:37:52,319
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02:37:58,070 --> 02:37:56,319
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02:38:52,650 --> 02:38:43,020
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02:39:00,870 --> 02:38:58,000
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